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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, you can't. That's the reason you won't. I think you already know that.
    It's possible, and I explained how it isn't socialism if you read my post above. hitler and Mussolini were not socialist. In fact they denounced Marxism and were at war with the Socialist USSR.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Maybe I am just desensitized to it but I feel like I only ever hear it come up in a select few instances: as a shield against criticism of Jews and as a shield against criticism of Israel. And any time a Jewish coalition needs a platform to speak and wants attention, as in the response to Oliver Stone we heard.
    Really? Maybe those instances are just when you notice it, since it seems to evoke the strongest reaction from you. Those instances take up a tiny minority of mentions of the Holocaust... obviously I can't prove that, but I find it extremely hard to believe that it's not true.

    The whole world cared...we went to war and put a stop to it.
    Nobody cared about the Holocaust before the end of WWII. Few people even knew it was going on. Jewish refugees around the world were being turned away and forced to go back to get slaughtered. This is exactly the sort of apathy that people are now trying to avoid. Also, WWII itself was completely unrelated to the Holocaust, except for the fact that the Holocaust was put to a stop as a side effect of it.

    I just think it's tacky, cras, and kinda dumb to expect contrition from the world for it anymore. It's attention whoring in a way.
    Every group that suffers any fraction of the amount as the Jews in Europe did try just as hard to "attention whore" their suffering, because that is exactly what they should be doing. The Jews are just the most successful, like I've already said, for reasons I've already said.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Maybe I am just desensitized to it but I feel like I only ever hear it come up in a select few instances: as a shield against criticism of Jews and as a shield against criticism of Israel. And any time a Jewish coalition needs a platform to speak and wants attention, as in the response to Oliver Stone we heard.

    I know what the Holocaust was. Everyone does. I care that it never happens again. The whole world cared...we went to war and put a stop to it. I just think it's tacky, cras, and kinda dumb to expect contrition from the world for it anymore. It's attention whoring in a way. I just don't care about the holocaust enough anymore to hold Oliver Stone over a barrel about what he said. In fact, as much as I hate to admit it, was rooting for the guy when the slurs about him being an anti-Semite started.
    What exactly are Jews expecting from the world irt the Halocaust???

    It's not over, Jall. People still deny it. Fortunes are still in the hands of murderers or their heirs. Up until recent years, this story was hands off in Hollywood. No one wanted to touch it. As long as their are ignorant people in the world who hate people based on religion, sexual orienation or mental capacity, this story stands loud and clear. Replace Jews with Mormons, Catholics or anyone. The fact that this was allowed to happen in the modern world (and still continues to happen in the world with other peoples) makes it extremely important to keep telling.

    This was not a part of history I was looking forward to sharing with my son. It had to be shared, because as you said, as the survivors have died off, it will become ancient history. Only it's not so ancient.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's possible, and I explained how it isn't socialism if you read my post above. hitler and Mussolini were not socialist. In fact they denounced Marxism and were at war with the Socialist USSR.
    The difference between Communism and Facism is the same difference between Budweiser and Miller. Both are beers, just different styles of beer. One's a pilsnar and one's a lager.

    If you'll look at your link about, "Nazism"--Mussolini wasn't a Nazi--you'll notice that Facism is anti-capitalist.

    In fact they denounced Marxism and were at war with the Socialist USSR.
    Hitler also signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR and jointly invaded Poland.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Because I don't care enough to have any sympathy for them. I didn't put them there. No one in my family put them there. None of my friends put them there. No one I know put them there or gave them those scars. To show sympathy for something I am so removed from would be kinda fake and plastic.
    Does that mean you don't have sympathy for the victims of 9/11? Do you not feel badly when someone is suffering from disease? You don't need guilt or involvement to have sympathy. I guess I don't know why this is even a point.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The difference between Communism and Facism is the same difference between Budweiser and Miller. Both are beers, just different styles of beer. One's a pilsnar and one's a lager.

    If you'll look at your link about, "Nazism"--Mussolini wasn't a Nazi--you'll notice that Facism is anti-capitalist.
    Communism and Fascism are different. Communism focuses more of an economic system that aspires for a classless commune type of government and social system. Fascism is a political system where the state is above all and the state rules all. They are not the same political philosophy.

    I agree that Fascism is anti-capitalist, but what does this have to do with anything? Are all anti-capitalist philosophies socialism? No. I also never claimed that Mussolini was a Nazi, in fact I specifically said that we was part of the Italian Fascist party. It is also true that the Fascists denounced Marxism (Socialism and Communism) and were at war with the USSR (which was a Socialist nation).

    Part of the Nazi's platform was that they rejected both capitalism and communism because they thought they were influenced by Jews.

    Hitler also signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR and jointly invaded Poland.
    And hitler later went to war with the USSR. He broke his agreement just like he broke the Munich Agreement. History proves that Nazi Germany and the USSR were at war.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Communism and Fascism are different. Communism focuses more of an economic system that aspires for a classless commune type of government and social system. Fascism is a political system where the state is above all and the state rules all. They are not the same political philosophy.

    I agree that Fascism is anti-capitalist, but what does this have to do with anything? Are all anti-capitalist philosophies socialism? No. I also never claimed that Mussolini was a Nazi, in fact I specifically said that we was part of the Italian Fascist party. It is also true that the Fascists denounced Marxism (Socialism and Communism) and were at war with the USSR (which was a Socialist nation).

    Part of the Nazi's platform was that they rejected both capitalism and communism because they thought they were influenced by Jews.
    At the end of the day, the state calls all the shots. How are they different, again?

    Are all anti-capitalist philosophies socialism?
    Which pro-capitalist philosophies are socialist?

    Part of the Nazi's platform was that they rejected both capitalism and communism because they thought they were influenced by Jews.
    I would LOVE for you to back that up with, well, anything.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At the end of the day, the state calls all the shots. How are they different, again?
    Communism focuses on the community, Fascism focuses on upholding the state as the highest power. Is conservative small government principals the same as anarchy? Sure anarchists want to dissolve government, but conservatives want to shrink it to. At the end of the day the government is smaller, how are they different? See how illogical that argument is?
    Which pro-capitalist philosophies are socialist?
    Again, what does this have to do with anything? Similarities do not imply or cause things to be identical.
    I would LOVE for you to back that up with, well, anything.
    To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic third position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17]
    *again, boldness added by me*
    Source:Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Again, the cited source for this information is " Bendersky, Joseph W. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. 2nd ed. Burnham Publishers, 2000. p. 159." It's not random editing.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    There is no cover up and there isn't some media conspiracy to paint them out of context.
    Actually it is more a tendency than a conspiracy.

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    Racial discrimination may be referred to an ethnicity, in this case the Jewish ethnicity.
    Nevertheless, I'd like to know what are you basing the part I've marked on.
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    Robert Alan "Bob" Iger (born February 10, 1951) is the president and chief executive officer of The Walt Disney Company.

    . . .

    Iger was born to Jewish parents Mimi and Arthur Iger of Long Beach, Long Island
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    Jeffrey "Jeff" Zucker (born 9 April 1965) is an American television executive and the President and CEO of NBC Universal.

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    Zucker was born to Jewish-American parents in Homestead, Florida,
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    Through National Amusements, Sumner Redstone and his family are majority owners of CBS Corporation, Viacom, and MTV Networks, BET, and movie production and distribution Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks movie studios

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    Sumner was born to Jewish parents in Boston, Massachusetts
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    Arthur Hays Sulzberger (12 September 1891 11 December 1968) was the publisher of The New York Times from 1935 to 1961.

    Sulzberger was the son of Cyrus L. Sulzberger, a cotton-goods merchant, and Rachel Peixotto Hays, descendant of old and noteworthy Sephardic families.
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    Arthur Ochs "Punch" Sulzberger, Sr. (born February 5, 1926) to a prominent media and publishing family, is himself an American publisher and businessman. He succeeded his father, Arthur Hays Sulzberger, and maternal grandfather as publisher and chairman of the New York Times in 1963, passing the positions to his son Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. in 1992.
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    Eugene Isaac Meyer (October 31, 1875 July 17, 1959) was an American financier, public official, publisher of the Washington Post newspaper.

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    His parents were Jewish but he avoided identification as a Jew until later in life.
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    A granddaughter and namesake of long-time Washington Post chairwoman and publisher Katharine Graham (d. 2001), Weymouth is a daughter of political columnist and publishing heiress Lally Weymouth and the architect Yann R. Weymouth. Her mother's family has owned the newspaper since 1933, when it was purchased by her great-grandfather Eugene Meyer.
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    Suggesting that less than 5 million Jews have perished in the Holocaust is indeed by definition a form of Holocaust Denial, if only partial.
    So someone says, but I would think the clear question is whether the Holocaust is being denied and clearly saying it less than 5 but more than 4 is not denying its occurrence or really its severity in all honesty. Why should Raul Hilberg's estimate be the minimum when documents prove he overestimated casualties in some cases?

    No, I'm afraid my mentality is ages away from even resembling something that could, if only by the smallest odds, be mistaken as your mentality.
    I'm not talking about mentality.

    That is a common claim by the Holocaust denying crowd, it would seem.
    For example, here's a passage from Wikipedia describing the Holocaust Denial practice:
    Said nothing of a hoax or a conspiracy. It would be absurd to say the Holocaust has not been used to advance political and military agendas.

    I believe I was quoting an encyclopedia making this exact statement?
    Actually it said there was no "systematic" use and I noted a reason that would be the case. Wiping out the Slavs, which was a stated motive of Hitler and the Nazis, would have been a much more massive undertaking since the population is so large and distributed across so many countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's an opinion that I cannot understand, Hitler is mostly identified with the Holocaust rather than with his economical policies due to the difference in the importance and effects of the actions.
    I would say Hitler is mostly identified with World War II and the Holocaust being a horrific side narrative of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) Prove that Jews have more representation in the media than anyother ethnic group.
    White people have the most representation, but in high-ranking positions you find more Jews, at least in the U.S.

    B) Even if this typical anti-semitic claim that Jews control the media was true, are you suggesting that Jews as a people somehow act differently from gentiles?
    No. I am suggesting they act exactly the same. This includes acting in favor of your people.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And no one here has made any assertion that Hitler was anything less than evil. The assertion has been that there were a lot more complex issues going on there than what is typically permitted to be taught.
    I would make that assertion. I would object to painting anyone as evil. When you read up on Hitler's life it is hard to see him as an evil person, but rather just a person who had incredibly flawed ideas brought on by a flawed culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    He was a fascist. A lot of his economic policies were based on Mussolini's concept of fascism. This was NOT socialism.
    Actually fascism finds its roots in national syndicalism, which involved organized labor essentially controlling business in a corporatist structure. This is really a form of socialism. The Knight of the Long Knives was actually a purge of the elements of the Nazi party more inclined towards the Socialist portion of National Socialism.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, you can't. That's the reason you won't. I think you already know that.
    Actually, I could very easily and have done so on at least 3 occasions at DP in the past. However, you and I both know that you would refuse to accept facts of this nature because they oppose your rigid and invalid view of things.
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