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    New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    That may be about to change. Workers' rights advocates have been campaigning for years to get states to enact laws against workplace bullying, and in May they scored their biggest victory. The New York state senate passed a bill that would let workers sue for physical, psychological or economic harm due to abusive treatment on the job. If New York's Healthy Workplace Bill becomes law, workers who can show that they were subjected to hostile conduct including verbal abuse, threats or work sabotage could be awarded lost wages, medical expenses, compensation for emotional distress and punitive damages.
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    Not surprisingly, many employers oppose the bill. They argue that it would lead to frivolous lawsuits and put them at risk for nothing more than running a tight ship and expecting a lot from their workers. But supporters of the law point out that it is crafted to cover only the most offensive and deliberate abuse. The bill requires that wrongful conduct be done with "malice," and in most cases that it has to be repeated. It also provides affirmative defenses for companies that investigate promptly and address the problem in good faith.
    Exactly, I yell at my employees when they dont perform. One part of my pay is performance, if my people dont perform I dont get paid so yea, Im gonna get mean, ruthless and nasty because if I dont my boss will find someone who will. My motto is that if you dont like the heat get out of the fire, especially in a time where there are people who will do the work I ask.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Act professionally and there will be no problem

    Act like a 14 year old, and you could get sued
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
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    Exactly, I yell at my employees when they dont perform. One part of my pay is performance, if my people dont perform I dont get paid so yea, Im gonna get mean, ruthless and nasty because if I dont my boss will find someone who will. My motto is that if you dont like the heat get out of the fire, especially in a time where there are people who will do the work I ask.

    Workplace Bullying: New York Bill Targets Abusive Bosses - TIME
    you YELL? wth? i would never continue working for a person who yelled. unprofessional.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    /facepalm



    Exactly, I yell at my employees when they dont perform. One part of my pay is performance, if my people dont perform I dont get paid so yea, Im gonna get mean, ruthless and nasty because if I dont my boss will find someone who will. My motto is that if you dont like the heat get out of the fire, especially in a time where there are people who will do the work I ask.

    Workplace Bullying: New York Bill Targets Abusive Bosses - TIME
    You're off the hook, then - you will no longer be forced to be a prick Your boss will be held accountable for the pressure. . . and YOU will have recourse when he lets off on you, too - win win

    I support it - btu then again I was never a prat and still got my job done. My employees loved me.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    This legislation will require that managers actually know how to manage people. A company that 'throws someone into management' without setting standards and providing training is going to start as a result of this legislation. Yelling and screaming at employees is not the way to get them to do their jobs. Managing people is an artform. There are way too many hacks promoted into managerial positions who don't have a clue. No one should be yelled and screamed at in the workplace. I've seen managers go nose-to-nose with employees and humiliate them. This is management? Not a chance.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you YELL? wth? i would never continue working for a person who yelled. unprofessional.
    You're that much of a wuss? Jesus Christ, sometimes people don't do their job and you have to yell at them a bit. ****ing get over it. If you don't want to get yelled at, don't do a piss poor job; that's all there is to it. But sometimes it happens and just because it happens doesn't mean that people should get their damned underwear in a knot. I work in research facilities, and there's always yelling in some form. Equipment breaking or programs failing things like that. Also, so PIs will yell at their post-docs and grad students if they aren't putting in at least 14 hours per day 7 days a week.

    There can be just yelling for the sake of yelling, and maybe people can work on that. But sometimes a worker gets chewed out when they mess up or under perform and that's that. You may call it unprofessional, but it's also unprofessional to not do your job and cost your employer money.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    @ Ikari -- I see lots of sensitivity training seminars in your future. Or the unemployment line . . .
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    @ Ikari -- I see lots of sensitivity training seminars in your future. Or the unemployment line . . .
    Or working with people who have a spine. Scientific research isn't a cuddly, lovey dovey career. Hell not even that way in grad school. I remember when Alex was writing his dissertation and had to go over reviews of it with Patton (his adviser). Nothing but a string of curse words screaming from the inside of that office for like 15 minutes. It's not always like that, but it can get that way. To get your ideas across sometimes you have to fight. To make people work, sometimes you have to yell. There's nothing wrong with it if it's kept to a reasonable basis. All this zero tolerance crap is nothing but PC BS which prevents work from getting done and teaches others they don't have to do their work and if reprehended for not doing so, they can make up something to make it seem like someone else's fault. All this crap in the end results in nothing more than responsibility displacement.

    So take that to your stupid ass thought re-education training. Stupid thought re-education camp, one of the best scams currently out there. Sometimes I'm amazed at the number of idiots out there.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're that much of a wuss? Jesus Christ, sometimes people don't do their job and you have to yell at them a bit. ****ing get over it. If you don't want to get yelled at, don't do a piss poor job; that's all there is to it. But sometimes it happens and just because it happens doesn't mean that people should get their damned underwear in a knot. I work in research facilities, and there's always yelling in some form. Equipment breaking or programs failing things like that. Also, so PIs will yell at their post-docs and grad students if they aren't putting in at least 14 hours per day 7 days a week.

    There can be just yelling for the sake of yelling, and maybe people can work on that. But sometimes a worker gets chewed out when they mess up or under perform and that's that. You may call it unprofessional, but it's also unprofessional to not do your job and cost your employer money.
    And one does not excuse the other

    A manager should be professional, and not act like a 14 year having a tempertantrum. If a person is not doing their job, pull them off to the side have a polite discussion with them regarding the problem letting them know things have to improve or they may have to be let go. Document the problems with the persons performance, and if things dont improve fire them, the documentation will protect you from wrongfull dismissal suits (or union complaints)
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
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    Exactly, I yell at my employees when they dont perform. One part of my pay is performance, if my people dont perform I dont get paid so yea, Im gonna get mean, ruthless and nasty because if I dont my boss will find someone who will. My motto is that if you dont like the heat get out of the fire, especially in a time where there are people who will do the work I ask.

    Workplace Bullying: New York Bill Targets Abusive Bosses - TIME
    If you have to yell at your employees, then you obviously aren't giving good enough direction nor are you being a leader with your motivation of them. Your pay or loss of it is your problem and gives you no right to be abusive, which includes raising your voice to another human being.

    I supervise a group of 5 guys. I have never raised my voice to any of them, even the one that's a constant ****-up. I have fired people from my staff and I have landed one on my organization's probation policy. Never had to raise my voice once. You can be clear and direct with your expectation without acting like a goddamned child.

    I have zero respect for abusive employers.

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