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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    I want to keep my employees, myself.

    Haven't lost any in 4 years, and I don't yell at anybody. They are all adults, and sure don't need the grief any more than I do.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    I was involved in an argument with a user earlier in this thread and just dropped me to see wazzup. I'm glad to see that, for the most part, cooler heads prevail.

    If New York's Healthy Workplace Bill becomes law, workers who can show that they were subjected to hostile conduct — including verbal abuse, threats or work sabotage — could be awarded lost wages, medical expenses, compensation for emotional distress and punitive damages.
    While I am sure that hostile conduct that includes verbal abuse is subject to interpretation, I still think this will be a good law, if it passes. One would think that 'threats or work sabotage' would be universally seen as actionable. Personally, I think this law will put companies on notice: Train your managers. Establish policies and procedures. Enforce them. Too many managers, as a user pointed out earlier, are just clowns who've garnered favor with the powers that be.

    Middle Managers are the backbone of every business. There are good ones and bad ones. Managing people is an artform not a bullying contest. Some managers don't see that -- as proven by many of them who posted on these threads. I managed people in my own business for 20+ years. Never yelled. Oh, I could be a real son-of-a-gun, but never once had to get in someone's face. I've never worked for someone like that either. I just can't imagine...
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I actually have a degree in management, and I can tell you that most (in fact a vast majority) managers are worthless and ignorant about people. They avoid personnel issues because they don't know how to handle them, and they put their efforts in all non-personnel management issues. Sure there are bad workers, but the percentage of bad managers is much higher. Management is the only professional career you don't have to be qualified for. Try getting an engineering job without an engineering degree, or an actual accounting job without a degree. Try becoming a physician without medical school or a license. But we have no problem leaving the most important decisions of any organization to unqualified buffoons. Many who got their position merely because they kissed someone's ass.
    It may be that there are bad managers, maybe the boss should yell at them and tell them to get their ass in gear or find a new job. But it doesn't distract from the other side of the argument either. Sometimes people or kids are doing dumb things and they get chewed out because of it. It happens, got some young kids and a fork life...chances are you're gonna have to give a bit of a lecture at some point. We'd all love to believe that it's somehow possible to just sit and talk everything through, but there are times in reality where yelling is fine.

    I mean seriously, y'all are making physicists out to look like super men with all this complaining about yelling. We get yelled at from time to time, we get knocked down, we get into arguments; but we keep going. Only 14 hours in a day to do physics. I don't know what it will say for us when the physicists are the toughest hombres in the country.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's a professor here who is similar, in fact I work for her now. She's not physically intimidating at all since she's like 5'4"; but man get on her bad side and you're gonna hear about it for awhile. But it's her lab, her rules; so she gets what she wants. And those who have been successful in her lab understand that if you just do your job and do it well, you're fine. That's that. Sometimes it does suck, but it's also not the end of the world. Keep your nose to the grindstone and you're ok. I'm not so fragile as to completely fall apart if I get yelled at.

    But see, I'm not so weak that I would tolerate being yelled at and disrespected by anyone, anywhere, at any time. If you raise your voice to me, you can expect that I will respond in a way that you aren't going to like. It may not be to yell back at you or to return abuse with abuse, but I will respond directly and with enough conviction behind my response to let you know that it's time to cease and desist. I do not tolerate abusive and insecure nutjobs throwing their temper tantrums just because they have a little authority. That little authority they have at work is no invitation for them to assault the dignity of another human being. Period.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're that much of a wuss? Jesus Christ, sometimes people don't do their job and you have to yell at them a bit. ****ing get over it. If you don't want to get yelled at, don't do a piss poor job; that's all there is to it. But sometimes it happens and just because it happens doesn't mean that people should get their damned underwear in a knot. I work in research facilities, and there's always yelling in some form. Equipment breaking or programs failing things like that. Also, so PIs will yell at their post-docs and grad students if they aren't putting in at least 14 hours per day 7 days a week.

    There can be just yelling for the sake of yelling, and maybe people can work on that. But sometimes a worker gets chewed out when they mess up or under perform and that's that. You may call it unprofessional, but it's also unprofessional to not do your job and cost your employer money.

    no, no, no. if you have to yell, you're not doing it right.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    I have a soft management style and prefer to coach. However sometimes you have to be a drill instructor as well when the soft language doesn't get through. Has anyone considered the law of unintended consequences though, yelling at an employee for a royal **** up can if used at the correct time and only when absolutely necessary can be an instantaneous way of letting them know it's time to shape up, so without that mechanism in place wouldn't it lead to employees continuing incorrect until their dismissal? I'm serious about that inquiry.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, no, no. if you have to yell, you're not doing it right.
    It's actually the other way around. If you get yelled at, you weren't doing your job right.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I have a soft management style and prefer to coach. However sometimes you have to be a drill instructor as well when the soft language doesn't get through. Has anyone considered the law of unintended consequences though, yelling at an employee for a royal **** up can if used at the correct time and only when absolutely necessary can be an instantaneous way of letting them know it's time to shape up, so without that mechanism in place wouldn't it lead to employees continuing incorrect until their dismissal? I'm serious about that inquiry.
    Why not just tell them they royally ****ed up sans the yelling?

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Why not just tell them they royally ****ed up sans the yelling?
    Depends on the situation. If someone makes an error on paperwork because their sales are down it's easy to fix, they have insurance for that and the commissioner of insurance will be fine with it as long as the problem gets taken care of. If they commit fraudulent actions I have ten times the work to fix it, take damage to my reputation as well as can be liable for some of it legally dependant on my actions and could lose some of my companies; I'd say I have a right to be pretty pissed in that situation. Or think of people who work with heavy equipment, lack of attention could lead to loss of life or limb, a simple "you shouldn't do that" probably won't get the message across as an explitive laden shout out.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I have a soft management style and prefer to coach. However sometimes you have to be a drill instructor as well when the soft language doesn't get through. Has anyone considered the law of unintended consequences though, yelling at an employee for a royal **** up can if used at the correct time and only when absolutely necessary can be an instantaneous way of letting them know it's time to shape up, so without that mechanism in place wouldn't it lead to employees continuing incorrect until their dismissal? I'm serious about that inquiry.
    I am the same way. I tend to become a mentor to the people I am in charge of. If they continue to mess up after I have coached them, than I will start enforcement procedures to let them know I am serious about whatever it is I am telling them. So far I have only had to do that once though. I find that if I explain the bigger picture to people and relate it to their daily routine and how they fit in and can influence the overall structure, I can get a lot of trust out of them. Once I get their trust, its pretty easy to keep them on task as most people just want a little guidance.

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