Last edited by Ikari; 07-21-10 at 03:16 PM.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
its amazing how much effort goes into avoiding confrontation by management personnel. they would rather a person walk around all day with a booger hanging out, or perhaps a **** stain, than to just go say something.
im positive that i have saved the company hours of mindless debate by management staff, by just telling the person they stink and should consider getting a different deodorant, or whatever is the topic of controversy.
it wouldve taken days before enough meetings occurred to warrant passing it off in cowardly fashion to the HR rep.
I've never had to yell at any of the people I've worked with or for. I think it is fine to have an argument with somebody. It's not okay to behave unprofessionally. I've seen both and have dealt with it accordingly. People have gotten fired, I've had talks about productivity etc. I've never needed to yell at anyone. Being an employer or somebody's superior doesn't make it professional or correct to yell at them at them.
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
Generally I don't like for government to stick its nose into anything that can be handled without them, but I don't see this as being too terrible.
Some bosses use their position as an excuse to act like an ass. Some of them enjoy fracking with people under them just because they can. There's entirely too much of this and I wouldn't mind seeing some of it curtailed.
I've been an office manager with 27 employees. While it was difficult at times, I made it a principle not to yell at people, curse or abuse people, no matter how much of a moron they acted like. I would take an offender aside in private, explain what they were doing that was unacceptible, define how to correct the behavior, and (if it seemed necessary) explain what disciplinary action would be forthcoming if the correction were not made.
There's no need to yell and rant and rave and act like a adolescent having a tantrum.
I've had bosses who acted like that and it sucks. Several of them don't know how close they came to getting seriously damaged.
Fiddling While Rome Burns
Carthago Delenda Est
"I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."
If they come up with a law against abusive bosses, I hope they have the guts to come up with a law against abusive employees. Yes there are bosses with little to no tact or pesonnel management skills. There are also employees who are just as bad. The employee who plays the system, just barely does the job, or tries to find excuses for not completing their job. At times I think its to much of "it is not my fault" attitude and "let's sue".
Sometimes an ass chewing is warrented, sometimes its not. While its targeted for the private sector, can you image some drill sargent being sued because he yelled at a private.
"I can explain it to you but, I can't understand it for you"
Managers should be allowed to yell at an employee if he has legitimate reason.
Keep in mind some managers have that power issue going on. They'll be assholes for the sake of being an asshole. Trying to provoke a response.
I had a bully manager in my past, asking a fellow employee of mine why she wanted fathers day off since her father was dead. That was years ago, and from what i know, he is still working there.
Yelling is fine. But when attacks go personal it's a huge issue.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
First, an observation. From what I've seen here, the ones who are saying "suck it up" are the ones who yell at people themselves or are in positions of authority while most of the ones supporting the legislation are the low rungs on the ladder. Kinda makes sense, doesn't it?
I also have a degree in insurance and risk management with a minor in finance. I don't think yelling at anyone is necessary. I worked at an airport for many years in an environment that was noisy so you HAD to yell. But being yelled TO and yelled AT are different. That being said, I never liked raising my voice to anyone or having that done to me. Yelling is what immature kids do out on the playground when they don't get their turn on the monkey bars. We are supposed to be a civilized society, so why not act like it? Your employees will look at you as an example. You are supposed to be a professional. Yelling isn't professional. Yelling is much more a reflection of the yeller than the yellie. (is that a word?) If you act unprofessional, they will to.
I feel anyone that yells at another human being for any reason other than to convey a message over a long distance or in a noisy environment is basically being an asshole. They should go yell in the mirror to see how stupid they look. What does volume do? What MUST BE SCREAMED that can't be said in a more, oh, mature volume level? I don't know a word in the dictionary that says "this word must be yelled to be conveyed properly." So the choice to yell at someone is on the person themselves, meaning they are being, singlehandedly, a jackass.
If a boss ever yelled at me I'd laugh in his face because I'd realize that the man *over* me is actually way way under me.
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