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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, a person chooses to have children. There is no part of choosing to have children that indicates the need to care for those children being leveraged against you to treat you poorly is acceptable or permissible. You might understand this if you had a child or were exposed to something besides your bubble world where everyone rafts and bounces from cool job to cool job without a care in the world.
    If my sis - who has three children and is a single mother - were being verbally abused at her workplace, I cannot imagine that she would tolerate that nonsense any longer than it took her to find another ****ing job.

    And, you make it sound as if I've not worked jobs that I despised. Or have never had bosses who harrassed me. Or have never had bosses who humilated me. Or never been discriminated against. Or have never had bosses who verbally abused me. Or have never lived on the street and worked what jobs I could just to eat. The difference is, I take responsibility for those situations. And, I got myself out of them - eventually. I've had bosses who were the biggest ****ing asshole ****head verbal abusing, harrassing mother ****ers ever to walk the face of the earth. It was THEIR choice to be that way. THEIR choice to treat me in a bad manner. But it was completely, 100% MY choice to remain (or not).


    Well when you figure out how to wiggle your nose and make those choices magically happen, let everyone know. Until then, the rest of us will have to deal with the real world where one has to work toward making those choices come to fruition. During that period of work and advancement, when one is dependent on that paycheck to buy the ramen he eats every night while working his way through college, he should not be subjected to harsh treatment that offends his human dignity. That student/mother/adult continuing his education should not be left having to jeopardize his personal work to better himself just to flee an abusive employer. The employer should not be abusive in the first place.



    I think this is where we are talking past each other...I am a firm believer that while one is bettering themselves or finding a new job, they should not be subjected to the damage an abusive employer causes. The stripping of dignity and mental stress is not acceptable EVER despite the choice being in the hands of the employee to leave or stay. Bettering oneself doesn't happen by waking up one days and saying "Wow, I'm better than I was yesterday so now I just need to show up at a new job today". It takes time, it takes energy, and it takes work. No one should be subjected to abuse in exchange for a paycheck they need even if they don't amount to much to you just because they aren't "there" yet.
    I agree that they should not be subjected to verbal abuse. I just disagree that it's government's responsibility to get them out of a voluntary situation they've willingly put themselves into.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post


    I agree that they should not be subjected to verbal abuse. I just disagree that it's government's responsibility to get them out of a voluntary situation they've willingly put themselves into.
    That is what the real conversation revolves around imo. And, as an aside, it's not really about getting out a bad situation, but suing the employer for monetary gain. It's not really about justice, but revenge for a perceived wrong.:
    The New York state senate passed a bill that would let workers sue for physical, psychological or economic harm due to abusive treatment on the job. If New York's Healthy Workplace Bill becomes law, workers who can show that they were subjected to hostile conduct including verbal abuse, threats or work sabotage could be awarded lost wages, medical expenses, compensation for emotional distress and punitive damages.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is what the real conversation revolves around imo. And, as an aside, it's not really about getting out a bad situation, but suing the employer for monetary gain. It's not really about justice, but revenge for a perceived wrong.:
    Well, my wording was admittedly poor. But I liken the monetary reward/punishment for a perceived wrong to 'getting out of the situation'.

    EDIT: From the perspective that you have given, though, it's even worse than what I was thinking. I just think it's ****ing insane that people can receive monetary rewards for getting their feelings hurt.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is what the real conversation revolves around imo. And, as an aside, it's not really about getting out a bad situation, but suing the employer for monetary gain. It's not really about justice, but revenge for a perceived wrong.:
    An employee getting out of the situation may not get the companies attention that there is a problem. Losing a lawsuit will.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Well, my wording was admittedly poor. But I liken the monetary reward/punishment for a perceived wrong to 'getting out of the situation'.
    Your wording wasn't poor at all. I apologize if that's the way I came across. Through the evolution of this thread, this has become the issue, just as I would expect.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I take it because it apart of the job, in fact I hate being treated like a baby at work. I prefer to be told that Im doing something wrong than being coddled. This is the way the retail environment is.
    Exactly, we make it so everyone has to tip toe around everyone else. If someone should get yelled at, they can't for fear of X, Y, and Z; so you have to bring it down and try not to be mean when telling them that they are incompetent at their work. Sometimes you need the straight up answer, sometimes someone gets yelled at. It's not innately a bad thing, it's what it is. I don't understand how we got to the point where we can't say anything bad so we don't hurt some damned fool's feelings. Hell if you call an idiot an idiot they'd probably run around screaming that it's a personal insult when it's just a factual statement. I understand that there can be yelling and such which is unproductive or hostile; but we shouldn't sit around and pretend that all yelling is undeserved. Sometimes it is necessary and justified.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    EDIT: From the perspective that you have given, though, it's even worse than what I was thinking. I just think it's ****ing insane that people can receive monetary rewards for getting their feelings hurt.
    100%! It is outrageous that people can get paid money for being offended or having their feelings hurt. If Teddy Roosevelt were around to see thing, I think he'd smack each and every one of us upside the head (and then be forced into a PC re-education camp). I think America has long lost its sense of rugged individualism and is now loosing all sense and sensibility.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    If someone on the street were to harass and scream at you day after day after day, I don't think anybody would think it inappropriate to summon the police, and I don't think anybody would expect the victim to move to another neighborhood.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly, we make it so everyone has to tip toe around everyone else. If someone should get yelled at, they can't for fear of X, Y, and Z; so you have to bring it down and try not to be mean when telling them that they are incompetent at their work. Sometimes you need the straight up answer, sometimes someone gets yelled at. It's not innately a bad thing, it's what it is. I don't understand how we got to the point where we can't say anything bad so we don't hurt some damned fool's feelings. Hell if you call an idiot an idiot they'd probably run around screaming that it's a personal insult when it's just a factual statement. I understand that there can be yelling and such which is unproductive or hostile; but we shouldn't sit around and pretend that all yelling is undeserved. Sometimes it is necessary and justified.
    I'm going to have to side with the whole "yelling is stupid" crowd. That said, if the employees tolerate it, that's their choice.

    I had a boss who was both physically and verbally intimidating and had a habit of yelling at us whenever he was displeased with the slightest thing. The effect it had wasn't to make us work harder or smarter, but rather to make sure he never found out about anything that was done 'wrong'. LOL It led to a lot of covering up of **** that probably shouldn't have been covered up. But he was very intimidating, and we usually just avoided interacting with him at all cost. And he continued to be that way until someone stood up to him. *ahem*

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If someone on the street were to harass and scream at you day after day after day, I don't think anybody would think it inappropriate to summon the police, and I don't think anybody would expect the victim to move to another neighborhood.
    Depends on your definition of harrass. But, given the most simplistic definition, I would find it horribly inappropriate to summon the police just because someone yelled at me.

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