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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The point is, it's NOT their choice. It's an uneven fight.
    Yes, it is their choice.

    Well, the government is involved as they are with racial, sexual and other discriminations in the workplace. The very purpose of the Federal government is to make sure that its citizens rights are protected. It says, "All men are created equal." It doesn't say, "Unless you're the boss, then you can treat me like a piece of crap."
    All men are not equal. Not in any way, shape, or form. All that we recognize is that we are all treated equally in the eyes of the law. Not in personal interactions. The govt need not be involved in racial, sexual or other discriminations in private workplaces.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're off the hook, then - you will no longer be forced to be a prick Your boss will be held accountable for the pressure. . . and YOU will have recourse when he lets off on you, too - win win

    I support it - btu then again I was never a prat and still got my job done. My employees loved me.
    I take it because it apart of the job, in fact I hate being treated like a baby at work. I prefer to be told that Im doing something wrong than being coddled. This is the way the retail environment is.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you have to yell at your employees, then you obviously aren't giving good enough direction nor are you being a leader with your motivation of them. Your pay or loss of it is your problem and gives you no right to be abusive, which includes raising your voice to another human being.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Exactly, I yell at my employees when they dont perform. One part of my pay is performance, if my people dont perform I dont get paid so yea, Im gonna get mean, ruthless and nasty because if I dont my boss will find someone who will. My motto is that if you dont like the heat get out of the fire, especially in a time where there are people who will do the work I ask.
    **** that. Your employees are adults. If they continue to under-perform and there really are people who will replace them, then get rid of the dead-wood and bring in fresh blood.

    Yelling is for when someone runs a red light and t-bones you, or for when someone's about to do something that could result in something serious like bodily injury. It's not for when you're displeased.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, it is their choice.


    All men are not equal. Not in any way, shape, or form. All that we recognize is that we are all treated equally in the eyes of the law. Not in personal interactions. The govt need not be involved in racial, sexual or other discriminations in private workplaces.
    It's not an equal fight. What about that don't you understand?

    In your world, blacks go to black schools; they'd live in the black part of town; women (and men) are forced to tolerate sexual innuendo or quit their jobs; women are paid less than men for the same work; men are forced to have their manhood questionned at their workplace by their jerky bosses; told to go F-off and do it right next time in front of their peers; gays would be fired because someone saw them at a gay bar. You're entitled to your beliefs, Rivrrat. But that's not the world I choose to live in. And, ya' know what? It's not.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you have to yell at your employees, then you obviously aren't giving good enough direction nor are you being a leader with your motivation of them. Your pay or loss of it is your problem and gives you no right to be abusive, which includes raising your voice to another human being.

    I supervise a group of 5 guys. I have never raised my voice to any of them, even the one that's a constant ****-up. I have fired people from my staff and I have landed one on my organization's probation policy. Never had to raise my voice once. You can be clear and direct with your expectation without acting like a goddamned child.

    I have zero respect for abusive employers.
    ****. Yes.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Bull****. A person CHOOSES to have children.
    Yes, a person chooses to have children. There is no part of choosing to have children that indicates the need to care for those children being leveraged against you to treat you poorly is acceptable or permissible. You might understand this if you had a child or were exposed to something besides your bubble world where everyone rafts and bounces from cool job to cool job without a care in the world.

    A person CHOOSES their education or lack thereof. A person CHOOSES where they work. A person CHOOSES where they live. A person CHOOSES whether or not to educate themselves further in order to facilitate finding a different career. Everything IS her choice. If she continues working at a job where she's "abused", she's doing so because it is beneficial to her in some way.
    Well when you figure out how to wiggle your nose and make those choices magically happen, let everyone know. Until then, the rest of us will have to deal with the real world where one has to work toward making those choices come to fruition. During that period of work and advancement, when one is dependent on that paycheck to buy the ramen he eats every night while working his way through college, he should not be subjected to harsh treatment that offends his human dignity. That student/mother/adult continuing his education should not be left having to jeopardize his personal work to better himself just to flee an abusive employer. The employer should not be abusive in the first place.

    It doesn't matter. It's still his choice.

    I know that you would prefer to be in Alaska, but you remain where you are for your partner. While you *could* say you don't have a choice, you DO. You *could* say you're forced to work a crappy job because you're forced to be where you are. But you aren't forced to do jack ****ing ****. We all CHOOSE. We prioritize what's important to us and make decisions appropriately. We all do things that we would rather not do were circumstances different, but that - in no way - means that we have no choice in the matter. We're merely tolerating one aspect because something else has more priority for us.



    And that's when you find another job. It doesn't have to be tomorrow, it could be a year from now, but you find another ****ing job. You pound the pavement, you send out resumes, you educate yourself further, you make contacts and you find another job. The only reason someone stays in a job they hate is because it benefits them in some way to do so. Some people just remain in this compliant state and claim, "they have no choice" when the real fact of the matter is that they have no desire to put forth the effort.
    I think this is where we are talking past each other...I am a firm believer that while one is bettering themselves or finding a new job, they should not be subjected to the damage an abusive employer causes. The stripping of dignity and mental stress is not acceptable EVER despite the choice being in the hands of the employee to leave or stay. Bettering oneself doesn't happen by waking up one days and saying "Wow, I'm better than I was yesterday so now I just need to show up at a new job today". It takes time, it takes energy, and it takes work. No one should be subjected to abuse in exchange for a paycheck they need even if they don't amount to much to you just because they aren't "there" yet.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Five years of bonus, corporate awards, and finishing months under budget says Im doing a fine job.
    If you are yelling at your employees, I think it speaks more to the fact that your employees are probably carrying you rather than you actually doing fine. I have found that employers who are yelling at their employees are typically doing so to cover their own managerial incompetence and deflecting from the fact that they are driving their employees to take responsibility for keeping up the facade. They yell because its easier and more of a show to the uppers than actually bucking up, getting rid of the bad parts of the machine, and taking responsibility for fixing it.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not an equal fight. What about that don't you understand?
    Yes, it is. What about that don't you understand?

    In your world, blacks go to black schools;
    Not as long as schools are run by the govt. If they're private, then yes.

    they'd live in the black part of town;
    If they choose to, of course.

    women (and men) are forced to tolerate sexual innuendo or quit their jobs;
    Well duh. You either work your job and accept the working conditions, change them, or find a new job. It's called "personal responsibility".

    women are paid less than men for the same work;
    If they accept that, yes. Personally, I won't work for less than what I think I'm worth. If other women do, that's their choice.

    men are forced to have their manhood questionned at their workplace by their jerky bosses; told to go F-off and do it right next time in front of their peers;
    yes, and if they don't like it, they can quit.

    gays would be fired because someone saw them at a gay bar.
    if their boss is bigoted homophobe, yes. Employers should have every right to hire and fire whomever they wish for whatever reason they wish.

    You're entitled to your beliefs, Rivrrat. But that's not the world I choose to live in. And, ya' know what? It's not.
    I know, you'd rather live in the world where everyone pretends to be something they're not. Where people are sued for ridiculous reason and our court systems are tied up 24/7 because someone's wittle feelings got hurt. Your world is full of sniveling whiners who refuse to take responsibility for the situations they find themselves in, or remain in.

    I'll take my world of personal responsibility over your world of government, nanny-state handholding any day.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, you do take on the responsibility for your actions, and if you deal with employees poorly and abuse them, they have every right to seek employment elsewhere. A work environment that is abusive will end up with a very limited pool of employees and will likely not be very successful.
    EA games treats their employees like ****. It can and does happen. Total Systems in Columbus georgia is another such place. Both companies are very successful.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    My view is that the individual has an interest in protecting himself from abusive practices by refusal to work for abusive employers. Abuse in the workplace is self-limiting. I have worked in several management positions. I have never had the need to yell at anyone, but I have had to fire several people for incompetence and poor job performance. To me, this legislation is nothing more than more government intrusiveness into personal behaviors and attitudes.
    If you are that kind of manager than this law should have no effect on you.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    I'm bored with this. You are obviously set in your opinion. As I am set in mine. I'll take my world. And, HOLY CRAP!! You get all the benefits of those who went before. Your comments are ridiculous.
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