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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And one does not excuse the other

    A manager should be professional, and not act like a 14 year having a tempertantrum. If a person is not doing their job, pull them off to the side have a polite discussion with them regarding the problem letting them know things have to improve or they may have to be let go. Document the problems with the persons performance, and if things dont improve fire them, the documentation will protect you from wrongfull dismissal suits (or union complaints)
    It depends on whether or not you're in a position to fire someone. Not everything is that simple, especially in government positions, and it may become impossible to illicit the changes unless the person is abruptly told of their ineptness.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Sometimes I'm amazed at the number of idiots out there.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No comment.
    If you had really believed that, you would not have posted this.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you have to yell at your employees, then you obviously aren't giving good enough direction nor are you being a leader with your motivation of them. Your pay or loss of it is your problem and gives you no right to be abusive, which includes raising your voice to another human being.

    I supervise a group of 5 guys. I have never raised my voice to any of them, even the one that's a constant ****-up. I have fired people from my staff and I have landed one on my organization's probation policy. Never had to raise my voice once. You can be clear and direct with your expectation without acting like a goddamned child.

    I have zero respect for abusive employers.
    I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. You may have a manager or someone who yells, but it doesn't necessarily make them abusive. I've never had one of those touchy feely jobs where harsh criticism is met with crying and lawsuits. Be it growing up on the farm, working for IDOT (worst summer job ever, BTW), the slaughter house, even grad school. Criticism is blunt, sharp, and unapologetic. If you can't do the job, you get yelled at. If you destroy a piece of expensive equipment due to negligence, you will get yelled at. There's only so many 150,000 dollar power supplies you can destroy through stupidity before it happens. You have to think, and if you don't think you may just get yelled at. That's just how it is, if you don't want to get yelled at here you have to use your brain. There are honest mistakes, and there are retarded **** ups. And for the latter, you can probably expect a little talking to.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you had really believed that, you would not have posted this.
    I don't understand what you're saying.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. You may have a manager or someone who yells, but it doesn't necessarily make them abusive. I've never had one of those touchy feely jobs where harsh criticism is met with crying and lawsuits. Be it growing up on the farm, working for IDOT (worst summer job ever, BTW), the slaughter house, even grad school. Criticism is blunt, sharp, and unapologetic. If you can't do the job, you get yelled at. If you destroy a piece of expensive equipment due to negligence, you will get yelled at. There's only so many 150,000 dollar power supplies you can destroy through stupidity before it happens. You have to think, and if you don't think you may just get yelled at. That's just how it is, if you don't want to get yelled at here you have to use your brain. There are honest mistakes, and there are retarded **** ups. And for the latter, you can probably expect a little talking to.
    There is no reason for verbal abuse in the workplace. I'm not talking about a critical discussion. I'm not talking about someone saying, "What were you thinking? kinds of discussions. But there is absolutely no reason to verbally assault a worker. They have no power other than to quit their jobs. To put workers in that position is just plain wrong. People need their jobs. That's why women have put up with sexual harrassment on the job for years. What choice did they have? Managers need to be accountable just like everyone else. Write 'em up. I support the legislation.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. You may have a manager or someone who yells, but it doesn't necessarily make them abusive. I've never had one of those touchy feely jobs where harsh criticism is met with crying and lawsuits. Be it growing up on the farm, working for IDOT (worst summer job ever, BTW), the slaughter house, even grad school. Criticism is blunt, sharp, and unapologetic. If you can't do the job, you get yelled at. If you destroy a piece of expensive equipment due to negligence, you will get yelled at. There's only so many 150,000 dollar power supplies you can destroy through stupidity before it happens. You have to think, and if you don't think you may just get yelled at. That's just how it is, if you don't want to get yelled at here you have to use your brain. There are honest mistakes, and there are retarded **** ups. And for the latter, you can probably expect a little talking to.
    If I think I am on the verge of yelling at someone, I go to my office and close the door until such time as I can control the volume of my voice again. Trust me, I get there frequently as my patience for stupidity is about non-existent. The general rule my guys work by is "don't **** up and if you do, fix it before Joey finds out about it". And I don't have to yell to get that point across.

    I just think so much gets lost when you raise your voice. No matter how legitimate your gripe is, when you yell and act foolish, throwing an immature temper tantrum, especially if there's name calling involved, you end up having your message lost when the person walks away with the thoughts, "Man, he is a dick" rather than, "this is what he expects of me from now on".

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    It's not the verbal abuse issue that is important in this discussion. It's the attempt of government to take an enforcement stance on the personal behaviors and attitudes of individuals, and I have a problem with that intrusion.
    If you work in a company that has verbally abusive management, you have a choice to find other employment or work for change within the organization. This legislation, in effect, dictates the personal interractions within private companies. More PC BS.
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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not the verbal abuse issue that is important in this discussion. It's the attempt of government to take an enforcement stance on the personal behaviors and attitudes of individuals, and I have a problem with that intrusion.
    If you work in a company that has verbally abusive management, you have a choice to find other employment or work for change within the organization. This legislation, in effect, dictates the personal interractions within private companies. More PC BS.
    When you solicit the public to come and work for you, you take on a responsibility for your actions and dealings with those whom you employee. Nothing about property rights or free expression or the open market gives you the right or freedom to entice someone into your sphere of influence with promise of monetary reward only to treat them poorly and in less than a dignified manner. This includes work conditions, terms of payment and your interpersonal engagements with them. The government has an interest in protecting its citizens from abusive practices being legitimized just because an employer bought a person's time. Otherwise, we may as well go back to sharecropping and child labor in factories.

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    Re: New Laws Target Workplace Bullying

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    When you solicit the public to come and work for you, you take on a responsibility for your actions and dealings with those whom you employee. Nothing about property rights or free expression or the open market gives you the right or freedom to entice someone into your sphere of influence with promise of monetary reward only to treat them poorly and in less than a dignified manner.
    Yes, you do take on the responsibility for your actions, and if you deal with employees poorly and abuse them, they have every right to seek employment elsewhere. A work environment that is abusive will end up with a very limited pool of employees and will likely not be very successful.
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    The government has an interest in protecting its citizens from abusive practices being legitimized just because an employer bought a person's time. Otherwise, we may as well go back to sharecropping and child labor in factories.
    My view is that the individual has an interest in protecting himself from abusive practices by refusal to work for abusive employers. Abuse in the workplace is self-limiting. I have worked in several management positions. I have never had the need to yell at anyone, but I have had to fire several people for incompetence and poor job performance. To me, this legislation is nothing more than more government intrusiveness into personal behaviors and attitudes.
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