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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as for Beck, Christianity, and the forced redistribution of wealth:
    My point so far, and I would say the gist of this thread has been that intentionally or not, Beck has actually attacked a larger segment of religion than those intent on creating a communist state.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what does the New Testament say about entitlements?

    2 Thess 3 : [i]We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
    Just to play devil's advocate here, since I don't subscribe to Liberation Theology, but this call to work here is not that different from Karl Marx's slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

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    how about how taking care of the poor should be handled?

    2 Cor 9: Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver
    I won't attempt to defend compulsion even for argument's sake.

    But I thought I would throw this in from the previous chapter:
    Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need.
    It seems to me that Communism and Christianity have a lot of agreement about the ends just not the means.

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    If you're interested in Jim Wallis and Faithful America, go to their sites.

    Sojourners: Christians for Justice and Peace

    Faithful America
    You're going to have to be a little more specific than pointing to their website home pages. Did you read any of them? Point something out if you feel like it should be part of the discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Thanks for this link.

    He basically tries to redefine social justice to suit his purposes. Well that's um...handy. I suppose I can define gray to actually mean black if I like to, but it's kind of an odd defense.

    Apparently supporting public education is also supporting Marxism. Who knew?

    Basically a whole host of programs that exist in America: food stamps, welfare, social security are all Marxist. Have we been a communist country since the 30's? I don't think so. Which is why I would take any attempt by Glen to associate social justice with communism with a large grain of salt.

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    No, he's defining social justice as Jim Wallis and crew is defining it. Both of the sites are full of politics. Not hard to navigate.


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    No, he's defining social justice as Jim Wallis and crew is defining it. Both of the sites are full of politics. Not hard to navigate.
    Lol, how would you know? As far as I can tell they aren't that different from the Catholic church in that regard.

    BTW, here's my link to prove that everything Beck says is untrue: Wikipedia

    It's pretty easy to navigate too

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    Lol, how would you know? As far as I can tell they aren't that different from the Catholic church in that regard.

    BTW, here's my link to prove that everything Beck says is untrue: Wikipedia

    It's pretty easy to navigate too
    If the Catholic church is calling for numerous government policies that redistribute the wealth and require that individual freedoms should be limited in order to help those less fortunate or those unwilling to work, then I would say you're right. I'm not a Catholic so I'm not aware of their goals.

    I'm so glad you actually took the time to understand what Jim Wallis thinks. Your wikipedia comment tells me you didn't do much research at all. Ta ta.


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm so glad you actually took the time to understand what Jim Wallis thinks. Your wikipedia comment tells me you didn't do much research at all. Ta ta.
    You're the one who made suppositions about Jim Wallis and didn't back it up when I asked. It's not my responsibility to disprove your assertions when you haven't presented any evidence. If you don't want to research or back up your opinions that's fine, but don't pretend you've done otherwise.

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    You're the one who made suppositions about Jim Wallis and didn't back it up when I asked. It's not my responsibility to disprove your assertions when you haven't presented any evidence. If you don't want to research or back up your opinions that's fine, but don't pretend you've done otherwise.
    I have done my research. I gave you the tools and you don't seem to want to use them. *shrug*


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    All that "Easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle" thing, is that the word of God or just some opinion from some socialist liberal who somehow got his opinion in the bible?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

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