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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    40 religious leaders throughout the United States were instrumental in FPL’s founding. The main founders, however, were Jim Wallis of Sojourners; Rabbi David Saperstein, Director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism; Melissa Rogers, Director of the Center for Religion and Public Affairs at Wake Forest University; Rev. Dr. Jim A. Forbes, Jr., founder of Healing of the Nations Foundation; Ricken Patel, co-founder and Executive Director of Avaaz.org, which is a project of Moveon.org and Res Publica; and last, but certainly not least, Sister Catherine Pinkerton, a NETWORK lobbyist who gave the closing benediction at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

    FPL also is very closely connected to John Podesta‘s Center for American Progress (CAP). Two of CAP’s senior fellows, Fred Rotondaro and Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, are currently members of FPL’s board. Other well-known Liberal groups affiliated with FPL include People Improving Communities through Organizing (PICO); ACORN; Children’s Defense Fund; the Interfaith Alliance; People for the American Way; the Center for American Values and Public Life; and Pax Christi USA.

    That explains it very well. I remember when Michael Moore was pushing his ideas by using his Christianity as the basis. There seem to be no limits to who will use religion for their own political goals.
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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That was something they chose to do in some places for some period of time. Nothing is said that they did so by commandment of God; nor about how that worked out for them (if history is any guide, 'not so good').
    It certainly does seem to be a Christian thing to do though doesn't it?

    a little further on (acts 5)
    All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
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    Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.

    Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."
    When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
    Mind you there is no government involved in any of this, but it does look like giving up your worldly possessions for the good of many is quite a bit more than something that seemed like a good idea at the time.

    My point is not that liberation theology is justified in all of its interpretations, but that Glen Beck is putting forth a conveniently warped idea about Christianity as an alternative.

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    There's absolutely nothing materialistic about the teachings of Christ. Certainly Liberation Theology's relationship to a 2 thousand year old text is interesting and worthy of debate, but I fail to see much support for Beck's ideas about being judged by your works as some affirmation of meritocracy in Christianity.
    There's also passages like this that Beck probably doesn't want to talk about:
    All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
    What amazes me is that anyone other than a paper Democrat actually believes this rubbish was written in the bible.

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    , but that Glen Beck is putting forth a conveniently warped idea about Christianity as an alternative.
    And what is his alternative?


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    You're right. THEY GAVE, not "the government passed a law to force them to give". It was of their own choosing.


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Religious leader, theologists and philosophers - and even denominations of the church itself cannot agree what's right and what's wrong about their beliefs and their bible.

    How on EARTH, then, can one religious-view of people say another person's religious view is *wrong*
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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    You're right. THEY GAVE, not "the government passed a law to force them to give". It was of their own choosing.
    Yes although the man keeling over and dying when he didn't give everything implies that giving up your material goods was a very serious and Christian gesture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    And what is his alternative?
    What I saw was short on specifics, but the values seem to be around keeping what you've earned, as well as a confusion of being judged by your "works" and by work and merit.

    He takes issue with the idea of Christ being a victim. This isn't just a word choice it's about whether Christ is identified with the oppressed.

    Here's the an official Catholic take on Liberation Theology.

    In order to answer the challenge leveled at our times by oppression and hunger, the Church's Magisterium has frequently expressed her desire to awaken Christian consciences to a sense of justice, social responsibility, and solidarity with the poor and the oppressed, and to highlight the present urgency of the doctrine and imperatives contained in Revelation.
    Bolding mine. The document is critical of the intensely political viewpoint of Liberation Theology but affirms the values that Beck seems to be scared of.

    There's an extensive video excerpt of beck at the bottom if you want to learn more.
    In attack on Christian philosophy, Glenn Beck sides with Nazi propaganda | Raw Story

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That explains it very well. I remember when Michael Moore was pushing his ideas by using his Christianity as the basis. There seem to be no limits to who will use religion for their own political goals.
    From my point of view, many conservatives use religion for their political goals

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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    What I saw was short on specifics, but the values seem to be around keeping what you've earned, as well as a confusion of being judged by your "works" and by work and merit.
    Maybe you need to actually watch more of Beck instead of just relying on articles written by people who dislike him. If something is short on specifics, perhaps get the specifics before you make a judgement call. Beck believes you should be able to keep what you earned (with the exception of reasonable taxes, of course). He also believes in charity. Jesus didn't require laws to be passed to make his disciples be charitable. He wanted it to be a personal choice because choosing to help someone changes your heart. Choosing to give helps you AND the other person. Choosing to do what is right is the whole concept of His message.

    The term "social justice" in the way Jim Wallis and Faithful America define it, is about politics. They are perverting the Gospel into something it was never meant to be. It's not about politics - it's about personal character and responsibility to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    He takes issue with the idea of Christ being a victim. This isn't just a word choice it's about whether Christ is identified with the oppressed.
    Christ isn't/wasn't a victim. If you believe the Bible, He could've stopped his crucifixion at any moment. He CHOSE to let it happen because He knew why it was needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    The document is critical of the intensely political viewpoint of Liberation Theology but affirms the values that Beck seems to be scared of.
    I'm not a Catholic, nor do Catholics speak for all Christians (Beck's a Mormon, ya know). Beck is "scared" of charity and justice? LOL! What?

    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblgorilla View Post
    There's an extensive video excerpt of beck at the bottom if you want to learn more.
    In attack on Christian philosophy, Glenn Beck sides with Nazi propaganda | Raw Story
    Yes, I watched that episode.


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    Re: Exclusive: Religious group calls out Glenn Beck’s ‘warped gospel’

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    From my point of view, many conservatives use religion for their political goals
    But NOT many liberals?

    Holy hypocrisy Batman...

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