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    Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Remember when Obama said his healthcare bill would not fund abortions? My how things change



    Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law


    The Obama administration has officially approved the first instance of taxpayer funded abortions under the new national government-run health care program. This is the kind of abortion funding the pro-life movement warned about when Congress considered the bill.

    The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new "high-risk" insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March.

    It has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of pro-abortion Governor Edward Rendell under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in Pennsylvania.

    The high-risk pool program is one of the new programs created by the sweeping health care legislation, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed into law on March 23. The law authorizes $5 billion in federal funds for the program, which will cover as many as 400,000 people when it is implemented nationwide.

    "The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million in federal tax funds, which we've discovered will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee.

    Johnson told LifeNews.com: "This is just the first proof of the phoniness of President Obama's assurances that federal funds would not subsidize abortion -- but it will not be the last."

    "President Obama successfully opposed including language in the bill to prevent federal subsidies for abortions, and now the Administration is quietly advancing its abortion-expanding agenda through administrative decisions such as this, which they hope will escape broad public attention," Johnson said.

    The abortion funding comes despite language in the bill that some pro-abortion Democrats and Obama himself claimed would prevent abortion funding and despite a controversial executive order Obama signed supposedly stopping abortion funding.
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    This is a states-rights issue, not a federal issue.

    The government didn't tell the state of Pennsylvania how to establish their high-rish pool, and as far as I've been able to determine there's nothing in the health care law that forbids any state from establish their high-risk pools how they wish or stipulates that such pools would be denied funds if their high-risk pool funded abortions, in whole or in part.

    The issue obviously is states will receive federal dollars to help setup their high-risk pools and some will likely partially fund abortions, but you have to remember that the argument against government funding of abortions was direct government funding, i.e., an individual purchases insurance through the Health Insurance Exchange and has an abortion using government subsidies. I know...it's essentially the same thing, but it's a matter of paying funds to individuals, public or private entities to partically pay for abortions on the government's dime OR giving funds to states who make their own laws yet denying them funding because their laws allow abortions.

    State's rights...you argued for them to exist but hate them when they don't work in your political favor. It's twisted, I know...but...?
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    This is a states-rights issue, not a federal issue.

    The government didn't tell the state of Pennsylvania how to establish their high-rish pool, and as far as I've been able to determine there's nothing in the health care law that directs any state how to establish their high-risk pools nor stipulates that such pools would be denied funds if their high-risk pool funded abortions, in whole or in part.

    The issue obviously is states will receive federal dollars to help setup their high-risk pools, but you have to remember that the argument against government funding of abortions was direct government funding, i.e., an individual purchases insurance through the Health Insurance Exchange and has an abortion using government subsidies. I know...it's essentially the same thing, but it's a matter of paying funds to individuals, public or private entities to partically pay for abortions on the government's dime OR giving funds to states who make their own laws yet denying them funding because their laws allow abortions.

    State's rights...you argued for them to exist but hate them when they don't work in your political favor. It's twisted, I know...but...?
    Read the OP Obama is approving the fed money being used for abortion. Obama when promoting healthcare said this would not happen. Another lie that shows Obama has no integrity or morals

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Instead of explaining it to you, I think you should read the commentary below.

    FactCheck.org commentary concerning federal funding on abortions before health care legistlation was passed:

    Will health care legislation mean "government funding of abortion"?

    President Obama said Wednesday (approx 8/19/09) that’s "not true" and among several "fabrications" being spread by "people who are bearing false witness." But abortion foes say it’s the president who’s making a false claim. "President Obama today brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related component" of health care legislation, said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee. So which side is right?

    The truth is that bills now before Congress don’t require federal money to be used for supporting abortion coverage. So the president is right to that limited extent. But it’s equally true that House and Senate legislation would allow a new "public" insurance plan to cover abortions, despite language added to the House bill that technically forbids using public funds to pay for them. Obama has said in the past that "reproductive services" would be covered by his public plan, so it’s likely that any new federal insurance plan would cover abortion unless Congress expressly prohibits that. Low- and moderate-income persons who would choose the "public plan" would qualify for federal subsidies to purchase it. Private plans that cover abortion also could be purchased with the help of federal subsidies. Therefore, we judge that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that government would be funding abortions "fabrications."
    PolitiFact.org commentary concerning federal funding on abortions when health care legistlation was eventually passed:

    The Senate language on abortion, written by an abortion opponent, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., would allow companies in the exchange to offer abortion services, even to people who get federal subsidies. But Nelson inserted measures to ensure abortion services would be paid through patient premiums, not federal subsidies. In order to accomplish that, the Senate bill requires that anyone who selects a plan that covers abortion must pay $1 a month toward a segregated fund that would pay for abortion services. One plan in every state exchange must offer coverage that does not include abortions, so there would be an option for those who morally object to $1 of their premiums going toward abortion services. Legislators supporting the bill -- along with President Obama -- insist that segregation of funds stays true to the Hyde Amendment restriction on federal funds for abortions.

    The Senate bill states very clearly that public funding through tax credits and government subsidies for elective abortion services offered in the exchange is prohibited. But more than that, the bill sets up a mechanism to ensure that abortion services offered in the exchange are paid entirely from patient premiums, premiums paid by people who have chosen a private plan that covers abortion. The executive order puts the weight of the president's word behind providing a way to ensure two checks go to insurers every month, so that abortion dollars and federal dollars are not commingled.
    Again, I agree the latter is splitting very thin hairs, but there is a difference between purchasing health insurance on the Exchange (when established), purchasing same using government subsidies and purchasing same via the state sponsored high-risk pool where you reside. It's up to the states to determine what policies will come under their high-risk programs, but according to the PolitiFact commentary as long as states establish said HSPs as outlined therein, individuals can purchase whatever health care plan through them as they wish.

    Again, state's rights...can't have it both ways here, big fella.

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Instead of explaining it to you, I think you should read the commentary below.

    FactCheck.org commentary concerning federal funding on abortions before health care legistlation was passed:



    PolitiFact.org commentary concerning federal funding on abortions when health care legistlation was eventually passed:



    Again, I agree the latter is splitting very thin hairs, but there is a difference between purchasing health insurance on the Exchange (when established), purchasing same using government subsidies and purchasing same via the state sponsored high-risk pool where you reside. It's up to the states to determine what policies will come under their high-risk programs, but according to the PolitiFact commentary as long as states establish said HSPs as outlined therein, individuals can purchase whatever health care plan through them as they wish.

    Again, state's rights...can't have it both ways here, big fella.
    So Obama lied and made sure there was a loophole to further his agenda of federal funded abortions

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Well, initiallly, he did...sorta.

    Abortions that would have come under the "public option" would have been covered provided that they meet the same criteria as those that would have been approved under Medicaid per the Hyde Amendment. However, as we all know the public option was removed from the final health care reform legistlation.

    What eventually was approved was the concession as outlined in the PolitiFact commentary. Specifically, if you read Section 265 of HR 3962, it makes clear that only abortions that meet certain guidelines will be paid for using government funds (the Hyde Amendment again).

    Section 265 - Limitation on Abortion Funding

    (a) In General - No funds authorized or appropriated by this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) may be used to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion, except in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, or unless the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

    (b) Option to Purchase Separate Supplemental Converage or Plan - Nothing in this section shall be construed as prohibiting any non-federal entity (including an individual or a State or local government) from purchasing separate supplemental coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section, or a plan that includes such abortions, as long as:

    (1) such coverage or plan is paid for entirely using only funds not authorized or appropriated by this Act; and,
    (2) such coverage or plan is not purchased using:


    (A) individual premium payments required for a Exchange-participating health benefits plan towards which an affordability credit is applied; or
    (B) other non-federal funds required to receive a federal payment, including a State's or locality's contribution of Medicaid matching funds.

    (c) Option to Offer Separate Supplemental Coverage or Plan - Notwithstanding section 303(b), nothing in this section shall restrict any non-federal QHBP offering entity from offering separate supplemental coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section, or a plan that includes such abortions, as long as:

    (1) premiums for such separate supplemental coverage or plan are paid for entirely with funds not authorized or appropriated by this Act
    ;
    (2) administrative costs and all services offered through such supplemental coverage or plan are paid for using only premiums collected for such coverage or plan; and,
    (3) any non-federal QHBP offering entity that offers an Exchange-participating health benefits plan that includes coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section also offers an Exchange-participating health beneftis plan that is identical in every respect except that it does not cover abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section.
    Since high-risk pools are established by each state, they make the deterination as to what health care plan will come under their high-risk pools and eventually their state-sponsored Health Insurance Exchange, and must comply with the requirements as outlined above using non-federal funds to authorize abortions. Therefore, it stands to reason that any state-sponsored health care program whether a high-risk pool or Health Insurance Exchange would follow the same guidelines as outlined in the PolitiFact commentary where each individual participant contributions $1 toward a fund which the state controls to pay for abortions for clients in their state who accept health care plans that allow for abortions.

    Again, state's rights...

    Case closed.
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, initiallly, he did...sorta.

    Abortions that would have come under the "public option" would have been covered provided that they meet the same criteria as those that would have been approved under Medicaid per the Hyde Amendment. However, as we all know the public option was removed from the final health care reform legistlation.

    What eventually was approved was the concession as outlined in the PolitiFact commentary. Specifically, if you read Section 265 of HR 3962, it makes clear that only abortions that meet certain guidelines will be paid for using government funds (the Hyde Amendment again).

    Section 265 - Limitation on Abortion Funding



    Since high-risk pools are established by each state, they make the deterination as to what health care plan will come under their high-risk pools and eventually their state-sponsored Health Insurance Exchange, and must comply with the requirements as outlined above using non-federal funds to authorize abortions. Therefore, it stands to reason that any state-sponsored health care program whether a high-risk pool or Health Insurance Exchange would follow the same guidelines as outlined in the PolitiFact commentary where each individual participant contributions $1 toward a fund which the state controls to pay for abortions for clients in their state who accept health care plans that allow for abortions.

    Again, state's rights...

    Case closed.
    More justifications for Obama lies. He decieved the public and left a loophole to move forward his liberal pro abortion agenda

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    More justifications for Obama lies. He decieved the public and left a loophole to move forward his liberal pro abortion agenda
    It's not federally funded abortion. The money that pays for abortions comes from the individuals paying an extra dollar for the plan specifically for abortions.
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not federally funded abortion. The money that pays for abortions comes from the individuals paying an extra dollar for the plan specifically for abortions.
    Got a link to back that up?
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Got a link to back that up?
    The bill itself. If individuals want to get a plan that covers abortion (and gets federal funding), they must pay an extra $1 per month that goes in a seperate pool to cover abortions.

    Also, possibly related.

    http://www.facebook.com/aclu.nationwide
    ACLU Nationwide BREAKING: Obama shockingly adds abortion coverage ban to new insurance pools for women with pre-existing conditions. More soon.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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