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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The bill itself. If individuals want to get a plan that covers abortion (and gets federal funding), they must pay an extra $1 per month that goes in a seperate pool to cover abortions.

    Without a link, all I have is your word for it...... and I won't read a 2000 page bill, quote the part that backs you up.
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    More justifications for Obama lies. He decieved the public and left a loophole to move forward his liberal pro abortion agenda
    How is it justifying a "lie" when not only did I provided you with commentary on the matter from before and after health care legistlation was passed, but also when I provided that section of the legistlation that clearly states "no federal funding or subsidies will be used to cover abortions either at the federal level or the state level except in those cases where by law they are covered where the health of the pregnant mother is concerned?


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    Without a link, all I have is your word for it...... and I won't read a 2000 page bill, quote the part that backs you up.
    Oh, Crunchie...stop jumping in all half-cocked trying to play partisian. You don't need to read the legistlation (although it would help education you if you did). Just read my posts (#4 and #6) for the exact content on this matter word for word. Not editted, no paraphrasing...just the the law. (You should be tired of getting hit over the head with it, man! LOL)

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Obama Administration Clarifies Rules on Abortion Funding in Health Care Legislation - Political Punch
    Department of Health and Human Services spokeswoman Jenny Backus said ”in Pennsylvania and in all other states abortions will not be covered in the Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) except in the cases of rape or incest, or where the life of the woman would be endangered.”
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not federally funded abortion. The money that pays for abortions comes from the individuals paying an extra dollar for the plan specifically for abortions.
    The abortions will be paid with the fund set up with frderal funds

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The bill itself. If individuals want to get a plan that covers abortion (and gets federal funding), they must pay an extra $1 per month that goes in a seperate pool to cover abortions.

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    From the article

    The language in the Pennsylvania solicitation for that plan, however, seemed to suggest abortions could be covered.

    While the solicitation said that “elective abortions are not covered,” it also stated the plan would include “only abortions and contraceptives that satisfy the requirements” of a number of Pennsylvania statutes -- including one stating that abortions can be provided by physicians who determine in “his best clinical judgment, the abortion is necessary ... in the light of all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman's age) relevant to the well-being of the woman. No abortion which is sought solely because of the sex of the unborn child shall be deemed a necessary abortion.”

    To Johnson, that suggested that “federal funds will subsidize coverage of abortion performed for any reason, except sex selection. The Pennsylvania proposal conspicuously lacks language that would prevent funding of abortions performed as a method of birth control or for any other reason, except sex selection -- and the Obama administration has now approved this."

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Remember when Obama said his healthcare bill would not fund abortions? My how things change



    Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law


    The Obama administration has officially approved the first instance of taxpayer funded abortions under the new national government-run health care program. This is the kind of abortion funding the pro-life movement warned about when Congress considered the bill.

    The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new "high-risk" insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March.

    It has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of pro-abortion Governor Edward Rendell under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in Pennsylvania.

    The high-risk pool program is one of the new programs created by the sweeping health care legislation, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed into law on March 23. The law authorizes $5 billion in federal funds for the program, which will cover as many as 400,000 people when it is implemented nationwide.

    "The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million in federal tax funds, which we've discovered will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee.

    Johnson told LifeNews.com: "This is just the first proof of the phoniness of President Obama's assurances that federal funds would not subsidize abortion -- but it will not be the last."

    "President Obama successfully opposed including language in the bill to prevent federal subsidies for abortions, and now the Administration is quietly advancing its abortion-expanding agenda through administrative decisions such as this, which they hope will escape broad public attention," Johnson said.

    The abortion funding comes despite language in the bill that some pro-abortion Democrats and Obama himself claimed would prevent abortion funding and despite a controversial executive order Obama signed supposedly stopping abortion funding.
    Just curious, why would we not want to fund a legal medical procedure?

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Just curious, why would we not want to fund a legal medical procedure?
    Because there is a law set in place that prohibits tax dollars from paying for abortions. Not only that, but because Obama promised that in his bill there would be no tax payer funded abortions. He even called that rhetoric a lie yet is so bold as to prove them true. Not only that, but abortion in 99% of cases is not a medically necessary procedure. Should we be paying for everyone to have cosmetic surgery?
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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Just curious, why would we not want to fund a legal medical procedure?
    Some consider it to be the legal killing of innocent unborn human beings and want no part of it.
    The majority of Americans, including some who are pro-choice do not want to fund abortions. There was something in place (the Hyde amendment?) that has prevented it in the past. Now I guess that's out the window? and now we will be funding them? Obama lied again.

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    Re: Obama Administration OKs First Tax-Funded Abortions Under Health Care Law

    I want to correct a reference I made in post #6.

    HR. 3962 isn't the full and final health care reform legistlation approved by Congress and signed by the President, and DOES NOT contain language concerning abortions. What I quoted in post #6 was from a copy I had on file of what was presented online as the final health care legistlation that was before the Senate prior to the bill going back to the House for final ratification and reconsiliation. The full health care reform legistlation that was actually ratified by Congress and signed by the President was done in three parts:

    (Note: Links to each bill in their final form as posted on GovTrack.gov are provided below.)

    H.R. 3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
    H.R. 3962 - Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
    H.R. 4872 - Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010

    H.R. 3590 is that portion of health care reform legistlation that actually covers the issue of funding for abortions at either the state or federal levels, towit:

    Under Sec. 1303 - Special Rules:

    Subparagraph (1)(a)(B)Abortion Services -
    (i)Abortions for which public funding is PROHIBITED - The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is not permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.

    (ii)Abortions for which public funding is ALLOWED - The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.
    Subparagraph (C) under the same section, "PROHIBITION on Federal Funds for Abortion Services in Community Health Insurance Option":

    (i) Determination by Secretary - The Secretary may not determine, in accordance with subparagraph (A)(ii), that the community health insurance option established under section 1323 shall provide coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i) as part of benefits for the plan year unless the Secretary --

    (I) assures compliance with the requirements of paragraph (2);
    (II) assures, in accordance with applicable provisions of generally accepted accounting requirements, circulars on funds management of the Office of Management and Budget, and guidance on accounting of the Government Accountability Office, that no Federal funds are used for such coverage; and
    (III) notwithstanding section 1323(e)(1)(C) or any other provision of this title, takes all necessary steps to assure that the United states does not bear the insurance risk for a community health insurance option's coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i).
    And now to that portion of Section 1303 that clarifies this issue from the state's level:

    Subparagraph (C):

    (ii) STATE REQUIREMENT - If a State requires, in addition to the essential health benefits required under section 1323(b)(3)(A), coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i) for enrollees of a community health insurance option offered in such State, the State shall assure that no funds flowing through or from the community health insurance option, and no other federal funds, pay or defray the cost of providing coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i). The United States shall not bear the insurance risk for a State's required coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i).

    (iii) EXCEPTIONS - Nothing in this subparagraph shall apply to coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(ii) by the community health insurance option. Services described in subparagraph (B)(ii) shall be covered to the same extent as such services are covered under title XIX of the Social Security Act.
    Now, as far as high-risk pools are concerned, you have to review Section 1101 - "Immediate Access to Insurance for Uninsured Individuals w/a Pre-Existing Condition". Subparagraph (b)(2)(A) details that only a State or non-profit private entity can take part in high-risk pools. And as I've just outlined above, no State will be given Federal funds to cover abortions.

    I don't think it can be any clearer on the matter of abortions, folks. Unless it is an abortion situation that is covered by another law, no Federal funding under health care reform legistlation will be used to pay the cost of an abortion at either the State or Federal level.

    Again, state's rights...

    This is a non-issue, folks that has written all over it.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 07-16-10 at 01:04 PM.

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