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First rig sails away over drilling ban

jallman said:
I agree with that. However, you cannot force that dramatic a shift in industry without causing extreme turmoil. But I guess as long as Maher and those that suck his balls cheering his "**** their jobs" rant don't mind completely destroying lives as long as their lattes keep coming and their SUV's always have gas in them from some source.

I just cannot stand that guy. He should be forced to suffer a thousand shallow razor cuts, tossed in the middle of an olympic sized pool of lemon juice and then have his head held under until he drowns when he finally reaches the side.
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okay....for the record, i quit driving an suv a LONG time ago. ;-)
 
liblady said:
okay....for the record, i quit driving an suv a LONG time ago. ;-)
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Yeah but you aren't sitting here ranting, either. I can almost guarantee that at least half the people that thanked that post that set me off have larger houses than they need, drive gas guzzlers, and don't think twice about the oil rig worker who lost his job when they fill up their cars twice a week or more. Fully a third probably fly several times a year when they could drive and decrease their carbon footprint.

I can't stand the hypocrisy and the arrogance that came along with that post she made.
 
jallman said:
Yeah but you aren't sitting here ranting, either. I can almost guarantee that at least half the people that thanked that post that set me off have larger houses than they need, drive gas guzzlers, and don't think twice about the oil rig worker who lost his job when they fill up their cars twice a week or more. Fully a third probably fly several times a year when they could drive and decrease their carbon footprint.

I can't stand the hypocrisy and the arrogance that came along with that post she made.
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i don't think it was meant that way, or maybe it was. no, i'm not ranting, but i do believe we need to take this seriously.
 
liblady said:
i don't think it was meant that way, or maybe it was. no, i'm not ranting, but i do believe we need to take this seriously.
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And I am right there with you. I just don't think being smug and demeaning over people being concerned about how to make a living is appropriate either. It wouldn't do for me to be in charge. Maher and everyone in that audience cheering him on would be decorating the White House lawn from the top of spikes. I have zero problem with impaling idiots.

They would have one hope...if they weren't dead by nightfall, I would set them ablaze as torches to light the evening festivities.
 
jallman said:
And I am right there with you. I just don't think being smug and demeaning over people being concerned about how to make a living is appropriate either. It wouldn't do for me to be in charge. Maher and everyone in that audience cheering him on would be decorating the White House lawn from the top of spikes. I have zero problem with impaling idiots.

They would have one hope...if they weren't dead by nightfall, I would set them ablaze as torches to light the evening festivities.
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you have an enviable way with words, jallman.
 
apdst said:
The legal battle exists and that causes too much uncertainty for oil companies to drop millions of dollars on a well that they might have to abandon, before iut produces any profit.

The failure is on your part, sir.
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They don't have to abandon it, they can pull the BOP off the existing casing and replace it with a new one. Here's What West Engineering wrote about a different subject...

...If this were to occur during drilling Volume 13, Control System Ball Valves Under Pressure,perations, it could result in an unplanned LMRP/BOP pull and significant downtime.

Proving that pulling the BOP is possible...

ricksfolly
 
dontworrybehappy said:
God damn you're like a fly that you swat and he won't go away.
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I believe the word you're looking for is "relentless." :lol:

dontworrybehappy said:
I live in the oil business. At current rates, estimates are between 75-80 years
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But you said, "we aren't sure how much oil is out there."

How can we even begin to estimate how much longer the oil that is out there will last if we aren't sure how much is out there?

Are you going to pick a stance and stick to it, or are you going to change your position to whatever helps you make your argument?

dontworrybehappy said:
BUT that assumes that we just keep going until we run dry which won't happen. Like I stated before, it's a supply and demand thing, the less supply we have the more demand, the more demand the greater the price. Oil will eventually be too EXPENSIVE for most to afford, but that won't happen any time soon.
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We aren't sure how much oil is out there.

We aren't sure what demand will be in 5 years, much less 80 years.

We aren't sure how much people will be willing to pay for whatever oil is left in 5 years, much less 80 years.

We aren't sure what kind of technological whiz-bang is going to come along and replace oil in whole or in part, and...

dontworrybehappy said:
We have enough shale oil in this country for WAY longer than the old estimates had, so I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years we still have oil.
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Oh, wait, so now it's not 80 years, it's 100 years? Hell, why not 1000 years? :lol:

How do you not see how absurd your argument is?

dontworrybehappy said:
Right now, we guess about 80 years of oil is available.
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Oh, so now we're not estimating, we're guessing -- unless that's the same thing?

:lol:

dontworrybehappy said:
But since you CAN'T KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE IF YOU DON'T KNOW ITS THERE
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Schroedinger's Cat strikes again!

dontworrybehappy said:
there is no way to know how far BEYOND 80 or so years we will have oil. That doesn't mean we don't know what's out there as in we don't have a flying ****ing idea what the **** will happen in 20 years, the unknowns begin about 80 years out.....but next year we could develop ways to access oil we don't know exist today and it could DOUBLE the amount of oil we can obtain thus doubling the amount of time before we run out.
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Or, the estimates could turn out to be total bunk and then we're hosed. What'll you say then, "oops, I meant we should've had at least 80 er 100 er 80 years of oil left?"

Or usage could turn out way higher or way lower than you expect.

Or any number of things.

A lot can happen in 80 years, especially when dealing with a complete unknown like how much oil we have left on the planet.

dontworrybehappy said:
You love to play on words but the fact is I forgot WAY more about the oil industry than you will EVER know.
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That may be, but when it comes coherent debate, you've got a lot to learn, and if a layman like me can point out the holes in what you're saying, then they aught to be glaringly obvious to an industry expert like yourself.

Or not, as the case may be. :lol:
 
I knew it didn't hurt my cause because it said we don't know how much is out there. I'd heard about 5 years ago that we had about 80 years worth of oil left. You say we can't predict our oil usage, yes we can. We can easily make a graph out of it and get it pretty darn close based on old stats.

Lets see who knows more about the oil business. An upper New Yorker.....or....someone who lives a few miles from the Gulf with a father who has worked for the MMS for 40 years? Oh I don't know, they're pretty close! LOL

I did research and came up with links, you put smileys, so that pretty much means I win this one! Thanks! :2wave:
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
I knew it didn't hurt my cause because it said we don't know how much is out there. I'd heard about 5 years ago that we had about 80 years worth of oil left.
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You keep missing the point -- predictions like that are useless, because at best they're wild-ass guesses, both in terms of how much oil there is and in terms of how much of we'll be using.

dontworrybehappy said:
You say we can't predict our oil usage, yes we can. We can easily make a graph out of it and get it pretty darn close based on old stats.
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Even were I to agree with your basic premise, which I do not, it only comes pretty darn close until some kind of calamity comes along (like war) and changes both our immediate consumption habits and our outlook all in one fell swoop.

Like that's never happened before, right?

dontworrybehappy said:
Lets see who knows more about the oil business. An upper New Yorker.....or....someone who lives a few miles from the Gulf with a father who has worked for the MMS for 40 years? Oh I don't know, they're pretty close! LOL
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I'm not basing my analysis on any kind of expertise in the industry. I'm basing it on simple logic, which is something your argument is sorely lacking.

dontworrybehappy said:
I did research and came up with
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uselessly theoretical

dontworrybehappy said:
links, you put
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entirely appropriate

dontworrybehappy said:
smileys, so that pretty much means I win this one! Thanks! :2wave:
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If it feels good to declare victory and wander away, you be sure to do just that.

It's worked so well well for America in the past, after all. :lol:
 
dontworrybehappy said:
With all due respect sir the oil industry provides about 50,000 jobs in my state alone. So keep your canadian comments to yourself. It's not your state or country or even problem. We'll deal with it, thanks.
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You do realize we are Canada's number one customer for oil. Yet they don't seem problems like we are in the Gulf of oil.....I mean Gulf of Mexico.
 
Yea I know, we've had one in 60 years, they've had none. Yea I guess you could say they've had fewer! LOL
 
winston53660 said:
You do realize we are Canada's number one customer for oil. Yet they don't seem problems like we are in the Gulf of oil.....I mean Gulf of Mexico.
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The environmental destruction caused by the Alberta tar sands is absolutely disgusting.
 
jallman said:
OK....well why don't you and everyone who thanked your idiotic "**** your jobs" post start that movement. I'll even be generous and give you some breathing room to get your **** together before commencing. Let's set a start time of...hmmm...when the tank of gas in your car runs out. At that point, you don't fill it up again. EVER. It becomes a lawn ornament until you find an alternative fuel source and implement it. Also, your house...I expect you to cut the power to it. Right then. All the plastic containers in your house? I fully expect you will toss them all out to the recycle bin. Most of your upholstery, too. Take that siding off your house if you have it...that was made from petroleum, too. I hope you don't have any CD's or DVD's either...guess what they are made from? Didn't think about that when you were giving a standing ovation to dip****'s "**** your jobs" rant, were you?

So yeah, **** their jobs and **** your idiotic notions that this disaster should be the impetus to force others into a lifestyle more to your liking. Leave it to a ****ing out of touch liberal to never let an opportunity to let a tragedy be used to leverage force of their twisted ideals onto others.
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Please, Jallman, it's impossible to cut out oil completely so unless you're Amish, you can't live everyday life without using products derived from oil. So I don't expect ANYONE to go cold turkey, and it's absurd to expect anyone to do so. What I want to see is a reduction in our consumption that will lead to change. New thinking, new products, and new industry... and the time to start is now.
 
Middleground said:
Please, Jallman, it's impossible to cut out oil completely so unless you're Amish, you can't live everyday life without using products derived from oil. So I don't expect ANYONE to go cold turkey, and it's absurd to expect anyone to do so. What I want to see is a reduction in our consumption that will lead to change. New thinking, new products, and new industry... and the time to start is now.
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So start then. But you're still gonna need oil in the meantime. So it makes zero sense to get mouthy and arrogant and smarmy about the Louisianna oil rig worker's livelihood that has been taken away when you still consume the VERY PRODUCT he provides to you. (And by "you" I mean the editorial "you". Actually, I specifically mean that subhuman skidmark of crusted foreskin cheese, Bill Maher)
 
jallman said:
So start then. But you're still gonna need oil in the meantime. So it makes zero sense to get mouthy and arrogant and smarmy about the Louisianna oil rig worker's livelihood that has been taken away when you still consume the VERY PRODUCT he provides to you. (And by "you" I mean the editorial "you". Actually, I specifically mean that subhuman skidmark of crusted foreskin cheese, Bill Maher)
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I have for years... at least as much as I can. Thing is, as I said, it's impossible today to live in our world without using oil each and every day. I hate using oil, but I have to in today's society. I want that to change. If we all do our part, offshore drilling will not be a necessity.
 
Middleground said:
I have for years... at least as much as I can. Thing is, as I said, it's impossible today to live in our world without using oil each and every day. I hate using oil, but I have to in today's society. I want that to change. If we all do our part, offshore drilling will not be a necessity.
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I agree. I just hope you understand that my exception is taken to Maher's "**** your jobs" rant and those who agreed with him while still using oil.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Please, give details of any spill in the gulf in US waters in the last 60 years that was as big as this one.

This outta be good.
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Now you add "Gulf" and "US waters" to the mix. Why don't you add "on a Sunday," too? :2razz:
 
jallman said:
I agree. I just hope you understand that my exception is taken to Maher's "**** your jobs" rant and those who agreed with him while still using oil.
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He's a comedian... I thought his rant was pretty funny. And without offshore drilling, the US would still have plenty of jobs in the oil field (and enough oil to sustain it's dependency.. for the next little while, anyway).
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Please, give details of any spill in the gulf in US waters in the last 60 years that was as big as this one.

This outta be good.
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Aren't you funny? You wanted to compare oil spills to Canada and now it has to be this big and in the Gulf of Mexico. :lol:
 
Middleground said:
Please, Jallman, it's impossible to cut out oil completely so unless you're Amish, you can't live everyday life without using products derived from oil. So I don't expect ANYONE to go cold turkey, and it's absurd to expect anyone to do so. What I want to see is a reduction in our consumption that will lead to change. New thinking, new products, and new industry... and the time to start is now.
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You can't even do it if you're Amish. You need to grease your buggy axles. There!
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Aren't you funny? You wanted to compare oil spills to Canada and now it has to be this big and in the Gulf of Mexico. :lol:
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Go ahead and go back and reread EVERY SINGLE ****ING TIME I QUOTED it as the first oil spill of this size in the Gulf in US waters. Where the **** else would I be comparing it to? The persian Gulf? I don't give a **** what Mexico does. They don't go by the same regulations. It's called comparing apples to apples.

You're just mad because you're wrong and I'm right.
 
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