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First rig sails away over drilling ban

You just gotta love libs. They want to get away from petroleum as if cars will magically run without it.

Just about EVERYTHING is petroleum based. The chair you are sitting in, the keyboard you are typing on, the case for the laptop computer (not the computer sleeve, I mean the plastic of the laptop itself) is all petroleum based. It's not JUST the gas in your car.

And no, we won't just magically run out of oil one day. It's not like we'll be pumping full bore and then suddenly we suck air. Oil will slowly and surely become harder to drill and acquire which will slowly increase the price of oil which will push people to look for alternate sources of energy. But....we are at least 80 years away from running out of oil, and truth be told, we aren't sure how much oil is out there. There is one rig somewhere, I think in the Gulf, that was doing really well then started doing poorly. Out of nowhere and for no apparent reason, it started doing really well again! This proves that we aren't 100% sure how oil is made or where it comes from. How many dinosaurs would it take to produce the oil that we use in this country? It's obviously not that. If one dino gave us one gallon of oil (highly unlikely) we go through 10 million dinosaurs a day in this country alone. And if oil isn't renewable, why did that well start producing like never before AFTER it had depleted to almost nill? The fact is we DON'T know how much is out there nor how it is made.

This is, for the most part, a manufactured crisis by the left. They love to play chicken little to make people think the world will end. It won't. Don't get me wrong, this is bad, but it's not as bad as it could be. This is the first time any oil spill of even close to this magnitude has occurred in the Gulf in the 60 years we have been drilling there. That is fact.
 
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Here's more on whale oil. Perhaps the liberals want to go back to using whale oil rather than drill. Not so progressive in my book.
We found a replacement for whale oil and someday we may find a replacement for petroleum, but we are not there yet.

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candles (first made from sperm head oil in 1750+ in Newport by Jacob Rodriguez Rivera)

watch oil (at $5.00 per ounce in 1957!)

additives in motor oils

automatic transmission fluid

lubricant for delicate high altitude instruments

glycerine

cosmetics ("imparts a rich glossy sheen")

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You just gotta love libs. They want to get away from petroleum as if cars will magically run without it.

Just about EVERYTHING is petroleum based. The chair you are sitting in, the keyboard you are typing on, the case for the laptop computer (not the computer sleeve, I mean the plastic of the laptop itself) is all petroleum based. It's not JUST the gas in your car.

And no, we won't just magically run out of oil one day. It's not like we'll be pumping full bore and then suddenly we suck air. Oil will slowly and surely become harder to drill and acquire which will slowly increase the price of oil which will push people to look for alternate sources of energy. But....we are at least 80 years away from running out of oil, and truth be told, we aren't sure how much oil is out there. There is one rig somewhere, I think in the Gulf, that was doing really well then started doing poorly. Out of nowhere and for no apparent reason, it started doing really well again! This proves that we aren't 100% sure how oil is made or where it comes from. How many dinosaurs would it take to produce the oil that we use in this country? It's obviously not that. If one dino gave us one gallon of oil (highly unlikely) we go through 10 million dinosaurs a day in this country alone. And if oil isn't renewable, why did that well start producing like never before AFTER it had depleted to almost nill? The fact is we DON'T know how much is out there nor how it is made.

This is, for the most part, a manufactured crisis by the left. They love to play chicken little to make people think the world will end. It won't. Don't get me wrong, this is bad, but it's not as bad as it could be. This is the first time any oil spill of even close to this magnitude has occurred in the Gulf in the 60 years we have been drilling there. That is fact.

Nobody is suggesting we cut oil consumption to zero overnight. Nice straw man.

Also, suggesting that we don't understand the process of creating fossil fuels is outright stupidity. We use far more than the earth produces. Period. Just because we don't have 100% info on where every drop is doesn't mean we don't know how it is produced.
 
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You don't really invite polite or level debate with comments like 'the more the merrier' though, you know - especially when it's in support of people actually losing their jobs. Whether you like the industry or not aside - the root of the matter is that *right now* it's not going to be a good thing at all.

Don't blame me for other people's lack of self control in their responses. I am not responsible for how people choose to read wildly into my comments and assume my stances on things. I said nothing about workers or industry, unless you can provide a quote that says otherwise?

Just sayin'.

In fact, most of your comments in regard to the US are critical of the US. . . . which is never taken with a lump of sugar. . . yet it's rare to see you criticize Canada of your country's own fouls in the same areas of debate.

Virtually all of the politics on this website are about the U.S., so it's hard to avoid looking uncritical of your country. I have my opinions just like you do. So why is it not outrageous when one of your own countrymen criticizes your country, yet I get accused of butting my nose where it doesn't belong for simply having an opinion?

You know, when people from other countries ignore the U.S. cries for intervention around the world, we get accused of not supporting your country and not caring; and yet, when we are actively involved in discussing your politics because we find them interesting, we are accused of being busy bodies.

Why don't you grow the **** up and stop picking these childish little fights with me over imagined offenses? If you can't avoid making posts that are of a personal nature about me, maybe you don't belong here? I come here to debate politics, not justify my existence to you.
 
Considering your lack of attack on your own country and your constant attack on mine, you deserve no respect.

Considering that this forum almost never has threads about Canada or when there are threads, few seem to participate, I think your attack is baseless. I've created plenty of threads about Canada if you'd care to do a simple search. Your attack is baseless.

It's our country, our problem. Our jobs. We don't need some fly by night Canadian pitching in his 2 cents unless its how to plug the hole or contain the oil. Got it? AS is right, where is your criticizm of Canada and all their little problems? You come into a forum and knock our country not caring about thousands of people that would be unemployed and you expect me to respect you? You better be glad this forum is moderated or you would definitely hear what I really think about you.

If your issue is my alleged lack of are about the American work force, then that should be your argument. I can't engage someone who is simply attacking my nationality. It shows lack of debate skill on your part to make this about the fact that I'm Canadian. Debate the facts, not the petty personal issues, and maybe you will find yourself in a position of respect.

When you don't respect the jobs of my state I don't respect you, period. This forum isn't for Americans only, but if all you're going to do is knock my country, to use your own words, "shove off."

That is patently dishonest and simply unfair. Anyone who reads my posts regularly knows that there are many American policies I support.

Again, if you choose to make your arguments personal attacks, you will only invite disdain; if you instead make your points based on the facts and constructive arguments, then maybe I would be more willing to give you the time of day. Until then, I find you to be little more than a troll.
 
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Good grief you guys! Let's not discuss each other. Discuss the topic or face consequences.
 
Well Orion, since you're so fair and this forum doesn't have many threads about Canada, why don't you show us how fair you are and begin some, equally being critical of your own nation as you are of mine.

That being said, hopefully soon this damn well will be shut off and we can start getting back to life as usual. I'm sick and tired of this **** in the news every day.
 
That being said, hopefully soon this damn well will be shut off and we can start getting back to life as usual. I'm sick and tired of this **** in the news every day.

That's how it is for those of you who don't live on the gulf...as soon as the well stops pumping out 20,000 barrels a day, you can get back to business, and it will all be over.

Except it won't. There will still be tens of millions of gallons of oil in the gulf of Mexico, poisoning the water, the shore, the wildlife, the land, and our lives.

It will be like Katrina. The rest of the world will forget, but millions of people's lives will be drastically altered for generations. This oil is going to drift around the gulf for decades, tainting one area after another, killing everything in its path, and ruining areas that I love.

I wish those of you who are only thinking about your own convenience and who are sick of hearing about this issue would just shut up about it, so that those of us who are actually affected by it, and will be affected by it for years to come, could come up with serious solutions for what we're going to do to prevent this from happening again.
 
He says we should freeze offshore drilling for the time being, and now he's killing jobs.

If he didn't freeze offshore drilling and another accident happened, he was fiddling while Rome burned.


You know, it's hilarious how Obama just can't win. :lol:
 
This is sort of out of the blue - but what's happening, right now, with all the wells that *are* tapped into but aren't being pumped?
Are they, at least, doing some sort of "eye-watching maintenance" . . . at least trying to keep things *in* the well?
I'm imagining that, over time and under pressure, a tapped well might eventually leak if left unchecked.
 
This is sort of out of the blue - but what's happening, right now, with all the wells that *are* tapped into but aren't being pumped?
Are they, at least, doing some sort of "eye-watching maintenance" . . . at least trying to keep things *in* the well?
I'm imagining that, over time and under pressure, a tapped well might eventually leak if left unchecked.

You know, while reading this thread I asked myself a very similar question, "If Gulf states are so concerned about the loss of jobs from the oil industry in their states, why aren't they petitioning for these oil companies to tap any of the wells that have already been drilled but abandoned for one reason or another especially the temporary wells?" According to this AP article, there are over 27,000 oil wells that have been unattended to that are just sitting at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. Some apparently have "temporary caps" and have been designated "for future use". According to the article, there are over 3,500 temporary wells out there.

The moritorium was against drilling for any new deep water wells, right? Well, these wells have already been drilled. Surely, it shouldn't be a problem for any of the oil companies that have the rights to any of these tapped wells to untap them and let business return to that area? To me, it's a matter of deflection by politicians mostly with those who are on the side of continued drilling because if they really wanted jobs to return to their area they'd focus their attention to those wells that alread exist and try convincing the oil companies to start pumping oil from them instead. It just makes sense to me, but instead we've gotten wrapped up in finger pointing.
 
I love how you contradict yourself without even finishing your sentence. :lol:

Let me put this into words even you can understand:

We know we have at least 80 years of oil left. There could be more. Now, is that better? :roll:

That's how it is for those of you who don't live on the gulf...as soon as the well stops pumping out 20,000 barrels a day, you can get back to business, and it will all be over.

I certainly hope you're not directing that at me, but at other "yous" on this forum. There aren't many people on this forum live closer to the gulf than I do. Nobody lives ON the gulf. They might live on the coast, but being as the coast is a few miles from where I'm sitting right now, I'm pretty darn close.

Objectivevoice and AS, you both have a good point. Problem is, the numbers are a little misleading. First of all, there probably aren't that many wells available that aren't being utilized. Specifically, there aren't that many DEEP wells. And if you add up all those abandoned wells they don't equal the output of the single DWH well. If the wells that were abandoned were even close to the output of DWH, why in the world would they not use it? If the well was that good they would be producing it. Oil companies don't make money punching holes in the ground, they make money producing oil. Punching holes is expensive, if these wells were that good they would use them. I have no idea where they are obtaining their numbers as we have no links or anything substantial to back it up, but that's ok. There are a lot of wells that were produced, reached a level of production where it cost more to run the well than it was giving in oil, and so they'll leave it. If they don't P and A the well it probably ends up in the list of 3500 wells that aren't being used. They just don't tell you why.

That's the problem with stuff you read on the internet. They don't give you the full story. They'll say "there are 3500 wells already drilled that aren't being used." But fail to say "These wells produce so little its not economically feasible to use them." Oh oops, left off that one little important detail.
 
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Objectivevoice and AS, you both have a good point. Problem is, the numbers are a little misleading. First of all, there probably aren't that many wells available that aren't being utilized. Specifically, there aren't that many DEEP wells. And if you add up all those abandoned wells they don't equal the output of the single DWH well. If the wells that were abandoned were even close to the output of DWH, why in the world would they not use it? If the well was that good they would be producing it. Oil companies don't make money punching holes in the ground, they make money producing oil. Punching holes is expensive, if these wells were that good they would use them. I have no idea where they are obtaining their numbers as we have no links or anything substantial to back it up, but that's ok. There are a lot of wells that were produced, reached a level of production where it cost more to run the well than it was giving in oil, and so they'll leave it. If they don't P and A the well it probably ends up in the list of 3500 wells that aren't being used. They just don't tell you why.

That's the problem with stuff you read on the internet. They don't give you the full story. They'll say "there are 3500 wells already drilled that aren't being used." But fail to say "These wells produce so little its not economically feasible to use them." Oh oops, left off that one little important detail.

I'd buy your argument except the article mentions that the well that the Deepwater Horizon was drilling was going to be capped immediately and set aside for future use as well. So, if that was to be the case with this well, it stands to reason that there are others out there that were set aside for future use as well. So, again, why not have some of these temporary wells untapped if jobs are that much of a concern for Gulf states that rely on the oil industry to heavily?
 
I certainly hope you're not directing that at me, but at other "yous" on this forum. There aren't many people on this forum live closer to the gulf than I do. Nobody lives ON the gulf. They might live on the coast, but being as the coast is a few miles from where I'm sitting right now, I'm pretty darn close.

People in florida do, in fact, live on the gulf, and the gulf is a huge aspect of our livelihoods.
 
There are no jobs, I know. But you know who can create jobs, the government. Have a government job program doing things that would benefit the country.

Just my opinion BUT the government will not be able to do much of anything as long as we are being boycotted, filibustered, and sabotaged by the Republican party. They are part of the problem and stand firmly against any solutions that will compromise their big money special interests. American's be damned. To them it's ALL about "show me da money." Modern day conservatism and republican ideology is far worse than any "commie's" we were EVER warned about in the cold war, IMO. They hate the government. They hate America. They appearantly love pollution, graft, tyranny and all the other roots of evil brought on by money, MORE than they love their country, children and grandchildren.

Maybe next election cycle, they will become insignificant.
 
Just my opinion BUT the government will not be able to do much of anything as long as we are being boycotted, filibustered, and sabotaged by the Republican party. They are part of the problem and stand firmly against any solutions that will compromise their big money special interests. American's be damned. To them it's ALL about "show me da money." Modern day conservatism and republican ideology is far worse than any "commie's" we were EVER warned about in the cold war, IMO. They hate the government. They hate America. They appearantly love pollution, graft, tyranny and all the other roots of evil brought on by money, MORE than they love their country, children and grandchildren.

Maybe next election cycle, they will become insignificant.
I remember when being a Republican meant more than just being a shill for big oil and corporate America.
 
Let me put this into words even you can understand:

We know we have at least 80 years of oil left. There could be more. Now, is that better? :roll:

. . . which isn't physically possible for two reasons:

1) As you yourself said, "We aren't sure how much oil is out there."
2) We have no idea whatsoever what our usage over the next 80 years is going to be.

As such, you are contradicted both by yourself and by common sense.
 
. . . which isn't physically possible for two reasons:

1) As you yourself said, "We aren't sure how much oil is out there."
2) We have no idea whatsoever what our usage over the next 80 years is going to be.

As such, you are contradicted both by yourself and by common sense.

God damn you're like a fly that you swat and he won't go away.

I live in the oil business. At current rates, estimates are between 75-80 years BUT that assumes that we just keep going until we run dry which won't happen. Like I stated before, it's a supply and demand thing, the less supply we have the more demand, the more demand the greater the price. Oil will eventually be too EXPENSIVE for most to afford, but that won't happen any time soon. We have enough shale oil in this country for WAY longer than the old estimates had, so I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years we still have oil. You assume so much bull**** when you try to be an ass and point out how I "contradict myself" which I didn't. You assume we won't develop any new technology to access previously unknown and unreachable oil reserves. Right now, we guess about 80 years of oil is available. But since you CAN'T KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE IF YOU DON'T KNOW ITS THERE, there is no way to know how far BEYOND 80 or so years we will have oil. That doesn't mean we don't know what's out there as in we don't have a flying ****ing idea what the **** will happen in 20 years, the unknowns begin about 80 years out.....but next year we could develop ways to access oil we don't know exist today and it could DOUBLE the amount of oil we can obtain thus doubling the amount of time before we run out.

You love to play on words but the fact is I forgot WAY more about the oil industry than you will EVER know. If you say that "we have no idea whatsoever" then we could have way more than 80 years of oil. You always assume the worst. There is plenty of oil out there right now. Nobody alive on this planet right now will really see the true end of oil as a viable source of energy. They may see it begin to phase out, but it will last long past what they say because we won't just suck until we suck air and then pack our bags and leave. It will slowly become more and more expensive. I've talked to VERY high up people in the oil business and they have said there is a chance that we will never run out of oil, but we will reduce our demand for it to a point that we technically will never "suck air." It would take us so long to expend every available drop of oil that you would literally be able to use the term "never" when referring to when we would flat out run out of oil. That is a MAYBE, not a definite.

What we really need to do is convert our cars to run on natural gas. That we have ****LOADS of right here in America. We could use oil for stuff other than running our cars thus reducing the demand and so we wouldn't suck on that oil pipe nearly as hard, especially that foreign oil pipe. The problem is that people are scared to drive around on a 30 gallon bomb. If we did that, we wouldn't lose many jobs at all because the oil companies already produce natural gas by the ubles, they would just focus on natural gas production.
 
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The video is so true though. We need to stop using fossil fuels while we still can.

OK....well why don't you and everyone who thanked your idiotic "**** your jobs" post start that movement. I'll even be generous and give you some breathing room to get your **** together before commencing. Let's set a start time of...hmmm...when the tank of gas in your car runs out. At that point, you don't fill it up again. EVER. It becomes a lawn ornament until you find an alternative fuel source and implement it. Also, your house...I expect you to cut the power to it. Right then. All the plastic containers in your house? I fully expect you will toss them all out to the recycle bin. Most of your upholstery, too. Take that siding off your house if you have it...that was made from petroleum, too. I hope you don't have any CD's or DVD's either...guess what they are made from? Didn't think about that when you were giving a standing ovation to dip****'s "**** your jobs" rant, were you?

So yeah, **** their jobs and **** your idiotic notions that this disaster should be the impetus to force others into a lifestyle more to your liking. Leave it to a ****ing out of touch liberal to never let an opportunity to let a tragedy be used to leverage force of their twisted ideals onto others.
 
OK....well why don't you and everyone who thanked your idiotic "**** your jobs" post start that movement. I'll even be generous and give you some breathing room to get your **** together before commencing. Let's set a start time of...hmmm...when the tank of gas in your car runs out. At that point, you don't fill it up again. EVER. It becomes a lawn ornament until you find an alternative fuel source and implement it. Also, your house...I expect you to cut the power to it. Right then. All the plastic containers in your house? I fully expect you will toss them all out to the recycle bin. Most of your upholstery, too. Take that siding off your house if you have it...that was made from petroleum, too. I hope you don't have any CD's or DVD's either...guess what they are made from? Didn't think about that when you were giving a standing ovation to dip****'s "**** your jobs" rant, were you?

So yeah, **** their jobs and **** your idiotic notions that this disaster should be the impetus to force others into a lifestyle more to your liking. Leave it to a ****ing out of touch liberal to never let an opportunity to let a tragedy be used to leverage force of their twisted ideals onto others.

wow...would you agree that fossil fuels are a finite resource and we need to find other means of powering ourselves?
 
wow...would you agree that fossil fuels are a finite resource and we need to find other means of powering ourselves?

I agree with that. However, you cannot force that dramatic a shift in industry without causing extreme turmoil. But I guess as long as Maher and those that suck his balls cheering his "**** their jobs" rant don't mind completely destroying lives as long as their lattes keep coming and their SUV's always have gas in them from some source.

I just cannot stand that guy. He should be forced to suffer a thousand shallow razor cuts, tossed in the middle of an olympic sized pool of lemon juice and then have his head held under until he drowns when he finally reaches the side.
 
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