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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ah - yeah - revenge and "if I don't get to have my income then you can't either!" attitude is counterproductive and childish.

    The fact of the matter is that it's an industry which employs a lot of people for things *other* that fueling your car for things that we use EVERY day and purchase and really depend on. . . so, if you want them to REALLY not have a market to produce for then step it up and PROVE to us we don't *need* oil by getting rid of EVERYING that's made from it . . . out the door your plastics, tires, hand lotions, perfumes, nylon stockings, pens (you know - INK) and printergs (you know - INK and PLASTIC) and prove to us we don't *neeeeed* it at all.

    Go on - show us somethin' baby!

    If you're THAT against something then STOP using it - boycott everything that comes from the industry you, Orion and everyone claims to hate - but gainfully employs at the same time.
    Actually, if you love them so much, perhaps you could let them drill in your backyard.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    p.s. Apparently, there is a worker shortage in Arizona. I'd suggest that the oil rig workers relocate.


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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, if you love them so much, perhaps you could let them drill in your backyard.
    Sure - why not!
    If I had oil brewing under my land you bet your ass I'd sell my property to the company in a HEARTBEAT.

    Now - don't you forget that I, too, support switching over to more natural sources of energy/etc - but it takes *time* and *money* to do it - on every scale. . . it cannot be done with a snap of your fingers. That type of change cannot happen over night! That has been my point for a long time - even before this disaster started.

    that is *my* point - it cannot happen quickly. It cannot happen over night. Sure, it should happen - I believe in changing more so because I don't feel we should ever have to depend on other countries just to drive around, you know . . . but, what *is* in place isn't adequate enough.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    p.s. Apparently, there is a worker shortage in Arizona. I'd suggest that the oil rig workers relocate.


    AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers
    Riiight - without employment brining in money how are they suppose to be able to afford to MOVE?
    And by "miss their illegal workers" they mean "we have to pay legalized citizens more MONEY and so we miss our illegal SLAVES because they were CHEAP"
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    that is *my* point - it cannot happen quickly. It cannot happen over night. Sure, it should happen - I believe in changing more so because I don't feel we should ever have to depend on other countries just to drive around, you know . . . but, what *is* in place isn't adequate enough.
    Perhaps you'd see the timeline differently if your backyard was being poisoned. We would adjust, relatively quickly. Drilling in the gulf has never been a safe or sustainable venture. If this gives us an excuse to have to shift faster, then that's a good thing.

    I remember how quickly the U.S. economy shifted when gas prices went over $3 a gallon. Suddenly, within 6 months, people weren't buying SUVs and big trucks anymore, hybrids and economy cars were cheap.

    Sometimes, I think, people need a financial incentive to do what should have been done years ago. And our free market adapts remarkably quickly. Trust the free market, Auntie. The free market can save you.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Perhaps you'd see the timeline differently if your backyard was being poisoned. We would adjust, relatively quickly. Drilling in the gulf has never been a safe or sustainable venture. If this gives us an excuse to have to shift faster, then that's a good thing.
    Ok - huge difference between my backyard on land and the ocean. . .on land oil cleanup is messy but rather simple in comparison - and a disaster would be localized, that's just the nature of it.

    And I agree - it's never been safe or sustainable. I agree.
    But ending it cannot happen quickly, overnight. That is just a fact. It simply can't - and tossing out a moratorium isn't actually helping right now, either.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    With all due respect, I could be afforded more respect than that. Last time I checked this forum isn't for Americans only. If you don't like that, maybe you should shove off.
    Considering your lack of attack on your own country and your constant attack on mine, you deserve no respect.

    It's our country, our problem. Our jobs. We don't need some fly by night Canadian pitching in his 2 cents unless its how to plug the hole or contain the oil. Got it? AS is right, where is your criticizm of Canada and all their little problems? You come into a forum and knock our country not caring about thousands of people that would be unemployed and you expect me to respect you? You better be glad this forum is moderated or you would definitely hear what I really think about you.

    When you don't respect the jobs of my state I don't respect you, period. This forum isn't for Americans only, but if all you're going to do is knock my country, to use your own words, "shove off."
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Not using oil is not an option, sorry it doesn't work like that.

    We can talk about green this and natural that but a lot, if not most, of those things are also made using petroleum distillates.

    If we are forced to switch, well expect your standard of living to go way down.
    Almost everything in your life involves the use of some petroleum by product and the "green" products usually cost a lot more to add to your life.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    There are no jobs, I know. But you know who can create jobs, the government. Have a government job program doing things that would benefit the country.
    You need private sector jobs to pay for government jobs. The government doesn't produce anything. They have no money of their own. Every government job produced is money from taxpayers. The best thing Obama could do would be to cut government jobs instead of bragging about all those he has created.
    This oil thing and loss of more jobs due to Obama's agenda is not something to celebrate. He could benefit the country by getting out of the way and stop destroying jobs. But benifitting Americans doesn't seem to be his agenda at all.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There are other sources of petroleum besides the rigs in the gulf, and perhaps those industries should start to see this as a sign that it's time to pursue other ways of manufacturing their products.

    Shockingly enough there are already products on the shelves that do not rely on toxic petrochemicals...

    Buy.com - Free & Clear Natural Dishwashing Liquid, Non-Toxic, 25 oz. Bottle

    Buying Guide - Body & Hand Lotions - The Green Guide

    Furthermore, decreased access to petroleum would force plastics manufacturers to design packaging with less plastic, and would get rid of this problem:

    http://gogreen.motivators.com/image....terBottles.jpg

    Recycled plastic would become a hot commodity, and maybe then people would be motivated to do something about the 38 billion plastic bottles that pile up in landfills annually.

    NEW INDUSTRIES would replace the existing industries. That's how a free market economy works.

    Remember...we once used whale oil for lamps, until the whales were hunted to near extinction.

    There are alternative product formulations in every category you named that don't require petrochemicals. Corporate America has little incentive to use different formulations that don't require a toxic industry that kills our land and waters, but an oil shortage could be highly motivational to all of us...in a good way.
    Whale oil was replaced by affordable kerosene from petroleum. I think you can credit that as much as anything else to saving the whales.

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