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First rig sails away over drilling ban

dontworrybehappy said:
I live in the oil business.
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Well, that explains all of your posts, and their unique focus.

From someone who lives on the gulf and doesn't live in the oil business: Your business is now suspect. Your industry has ruined the lifes of millions of people on the gulf, and some areas of the gulf may never recover from the damage from this spill.

Your posts are slanted in favor of your industry, and we're sick as hell of hearing the spin.

love,

Florida
 
As far as the hyperbole in this thread...the administration's current ban is ONLY on deepwater drilling. ONLY DEEPWATER DRILLING. All oil drilling in the gulf has not been halted, in fact, deepwater wells represent only a small percentage of gulf drilling. I'm sick as hell of hearing this scenario represented as a massive loss of jobs, when in fact, deepwater wells SHOULD be halted at this point in time, because of the possible risks.

Gulf of Mexico has many deepwater wells | The Columbus Dispatch

Do you know how many wells are actually impacted by this act by Obama?

33.

We're exaggerating 50,000 jobs lost over 33 wells. Do you really think those 33 wells comprised 50,000 jobs?

Do you know how many wells there actually are in the gulf???? Tens of thousands.

Abandoned oil wells make Gulf of Mexico 'environmental minefield' | Business | The Guardian

There are 27,000 abandoned wells in the gulf already, not to mention the 3,858 working wells.

and, we're acting like the sky is falling because 33 deepwater wells have been shut down.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Go ahead and go back and reread EVERY SINGLE ****ING TIME I QUOTED it as the first oil spill of this size in the Gulf in US waters. Where the **** else would I be comparing it to? The persian Gulf? I don't give a **** what Mexico does. They don't go by the same regulations. It's called comparing apples to apples.

You're just mad because you're wrong and I'm right.
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I APOLOGIZE FOR SHOUTING!!!

Actually, Ixtoc I was very similar except that it was less than 200 feet below water and it took them 10 months to stop that one.

But please indulge me since you made the claim, what differnce in regulations is there between 1979 Mexico and 2010 USA?

How does that make it incomparable?
 
Catz, why are you so stingily bitter with people who work *for* the industry as a mere employee - when none of these people you're directly dealing with, here, were in the position to actually stop these problems, alter the rocky path that BP was following or otherwise change anything - let alone be privy to it?

It's not like Don'tWorry et al actually made the decisions that led up to this catastrophe. He wasn't there to oversee operations and he didn't pencil in his own reviews. :shrug:

Like I said the other day - you're taking your anger and just blasting everyone with it with no rhyme or reason.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Catz, why are you so stingily bitter with people who work *for* the industry as a mere employee - when none of these people you're directly dealing with, here, were in the position to actually stop these problems, alter the rocky path that BP was following or otherwise change anything - let alone be privy to it?

It's not like Don'tWorry et al actually made the decisions that led up to this catastrophe. He wasn't there to oversee operations and he didn't pencil in his own reviews. :shrug:

Like I said the other day - you're taking your anger and just blasting everyone with it with no rhyme or reason.
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While still filling her gas tank every time it gets thirsty, I might add. And running those lights. And using those plastic products. Etc, etc
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Catz, why are you so stingily bitter with people who work *for* the industry as a mere employee - when none of these people you're directly dealing with, here, were in the position to actually stop these problems, alter the rocky path that BP was following or otherwise change anything - let alone be privy to it?
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THis thread isn't about me. I provided you with the facts in regards to this moratorium, and of course, you could not rebut those. Feel free to attack me, it merely makes you look ridiculous.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Well, that explains all of your posts, and their unique focus.

From someone who lives on the gulf and doesn't live in the oil business: Your business is now suspect. Your industry has ruined the lifes of millions of people on the gulf, and some areas of the gulf may never recover from the damage from this spill.

Your posts are slanted in favor of your industry, and we're sick as hell of hearing the spin.

love,

Florida
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You hated the oil and gas industry, even before the spill. Speaking of spin-n-all.

Love,

All the other mother****ers that had their lives ruined by the spill.

Why ruin some peoples live, when you can ruin them all?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
This oil spill, by the way, is Obama's Overton Window - he's using it as his golden opportunity to get done what he wanted. Without the spill going on and without people being stirred and demanding action he wouldn't have such an easy job of gathering support.
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Yeah, I frankly wouldn't be surprised if he is happy to have something catastrophic to take him and all his crap out of the lime light for awhile.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
As far as the hyperbole in this thread...the administration's current ban is ONLY on deepwater drilling. ONLY DEEPWATER DRILLING. All oil drilling in the gulf has not been halted, in fact, deepwater wells represent only a small percentage of gulf drilling. I'm sick as hell of hearing this scenario represented as a massive loss of jobs, when in fact, deepwater wells SHOULD be halted at this point in time, because of the possible risks.

Gulf of Mexico has many deepwater wells | The Columbus Dispatch

Do you know how many wells are actually impacted by this act by Obama?

33.

We're exaggerating 50,000 jobs lost over 33 wells. Do you really think those 33 wells comprised 50,000 jobs?

Do you know how many wells there actually are in the gulf???? Tens of thousands.

Abandoned oil wells make Gulf of Mexico 'environmental minefield' | Business | The Guardian

There are 27,000 abandoned wells in the gulf already, not to mention the 3,858 working wells.

and, we're acting like the sky is falling because 33 deepwater wells have been shut down.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
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Do you know how many jobs one well supports? It's in the thousands. Welders, electricians, machinists, truck drivers, pipe fitters, the list is nearly endless.

it's all good, though. We'll just ship those jobs overseas. It's not like we need more jobs here in the states. I hope you're not one of folks that supported the auto bailouts.
 
It's interesting how this thread has turned from "hey, the moritorium is killing jobs" to "we only have 40-80 years of oil left" yet the real message has somehow gotten garbled in all of this:

Protecting the environment.

You see, as much as some argue that a small portion of the oil industry is suffering from the loss of jobs, the real issue is the ecological damage and economic impact caused by one major oil spill in deep waters along our nation's Gulf Coast.

I do feel pity for those people who are restauranteers from fast-food to fine dining, hotel/motel owners/managers, small shop owners, fishermen of all types, those involved w/Gulf Coast tourism ventures, tourist, beach combers and any other entity financially affected by this oil spill. But mostly, I feel bad for we, the American people because when this catastrophy is all over and soon forgotten we'll allow politics to once again rule the day and return to how things were before the spill and no real regulatory reform or real enforcement will take place to prevent an incident like this from happening again. Moreover, we, as a nation WILL continue to rely on fossil fuels when instead what we should be doing is taking steps NOW to slowly but certainly wean ourselves off them in those areas that affect us the most, ie., our automobiles and energy industries.

That's the real tragedy from this oil spill. We won't learn anything from this lesson.
 
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Objective Voice said:
It's interesting how this thread has turned from "hey, the moritorium is killing jobs" to "we only have 40-80 years of oil left" yet the real message has somehow gotten garbled in all of this:

Protecting the environment.

You see, as much as some argue that a small portion of the oil industry is suffering from the loss of jobs, the real issue is the ecological damage and economic impact caused by one major oil spill in deep waters along our nation's Gulf Coast.

I do feel pity for those people who are restauranteers from fast-food to fine dining, hotel/motel owners/managers, small shop owners, fishermen of all types, those involved w/Gulf Coast tourism ventures, tourist, beach combers and any other entity financially affected by this oil spill. But mostly, I feel bad for we, the American people because when this catastrophy is all over and soon forgotten we'll allow politics to once again rule the day and return to how things were before the spill and no real regulatory reform or real enforcement will take place to prevent an incident like this from happening again. Moreover, we, as a nation WILL continue to rely on fossil fuels when instead what we should be doing is taking steps NOW to slowly but certainly wean ourselves off them in those areas that affect us the most, ie., our automobile and energy industries.

That's the real tragedy from this oil spill. We won't learn anything from this lesson.
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A small portion? There will be a million jobs lost, along with a trillion dollars of investments in this country in the next five years, if the oil and gas industry is run out of the GOM.

The tragedy, is that people actually think we are ready to stop using petroleum based fuels within the next few years. That's rediculous. However, politicians are going to push that agenda, no matter how much damage it does to the economy and the job market.
 
Your Star said:
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You realize that with oil, the petroleum products needed to make TV work would not exist? Old Bill might have to come up with a different medium.
 
NolaMan said:
You realize that with oil, the petroleum products needed to make TV work would not exist? Old Bill might have to come up with a different medium.
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You realize that fishermen need to catch fish to buy TV's right?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
You realize that fishermen need to catch fish to buy TV's right?
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Yeah, we realize that. Do you realize that most of the people who buy that seafood work in the oilfield? Gotta have customers to sell your product.

Before the moratorium madness, at least the shrimpers could have gotten job in the oil and gas industry. They don't even have that option, anymore. Putting all those oilfield hands in the unemployment line isn't going to fix the spill any sooner. Do you have any idea how many illegal aliens work in the Houston pipe yards?

I guess ****ing everyone is only the right thing to do. Yes?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
You realize that fishermen need to catch fish to buy TV's right?
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In terms of economic impact, the oil industry is far bigger than the fishing industry. That said, you seem to be saying the proper response to job loss is more job loss...
 
NolaMan said:
In terms of economic impact, the oil industry is far bigger than the fishing industry. That said, you seem to be saying the proper response to job loss is more job loss...
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Obama needed a fresh crop of victims to rescue.

Too bad he cocked that up.
 
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apdst said:
Yeah, we realize that. Do you realize that most of the people who buy that seafood work in the oilfield? Gotta have customers to sell your product.

Before the moratorium madness, at least the shrimpers could have gotten job in the oil and gas industry. They don't even have that option, anymore. Putting all those oilfield hands in the unemployment line isn't going to fix the spill any sooner. Do you have any idea how many illegal aliens work in the Houston pipe yards?

I guess ****ing everyone is only the right thing to do. Yes?
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I don't think that risking another oil spill while the MMS gets their act together is a very wise move. The spills affect more than unemployed oil workers would.
 
NolaMan said:
In terms of economic impact, the oil industry is far bigger than the fishing industry. That said, you seem to be saying the proper response to job loss is more job loss...
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This isn't a job loss issue. It's an environmental one. More oil spills won't help the tourism industry either.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I don't think that risking another oil spill while the MMS gets their act together is a very wise move. The spills affect more than unemployed oil workers would.
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What's another spill going to do? There's already an oil slick in the gulf, in case you haven't noticed.

You're risking hundreds of thousands of jobs on a one-in-a-million chance. The gamble isn't worth it.
 
apdst said:
What's another spill going to do? There's already an oil slick in the gulf, in case you haven't noticed.

You're risking hundreds of thousands of jobs on a one-in-a-million chance. The gamble isn't worth it.
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The answer to oil in the Gulf is more oil in the Gulf? :lol:

One in a million chance my butt.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I don't think that risking another oil spill while the MMS gets their act together is a very wise move. The spills affect more than unemployed oil workers would.
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Just to point out, the MMS does not exist any longer.

That said, you are correct, and oil spill this size obviously effects a large group of people. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

That said, the economic impact of the deepwater drilling moratorium (speaking for Louisiana here) is devastating as well. It is costing hundreds of millions (billions even) in lost economic activity, lost tax revenue (federal and state), and potentially putting people out of work for good.

Already we have seen more than 1 rig be contracted out to other areas, and they are leaving the Gulf. That means they are not going to be coming back when the moratorium is lifted, and the workers who serviced/worked on this will not be able to suddenly have their jobs back.

All of this after all of these rigs passed another safety inspection by the Department of the Interior.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
This isn't a job loss issue. It's an environmental one. More oil spills won't help the tourism industry either.
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Alot of those tourists work in the oil and gas industry. Tourists with no jobs sure as hell won't help the tourism industry.

This has nothing to do with anything but Obama's agenda.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The answer to oil in the Gulf is more oil in the Gulf? :lol:

One in a million chance my butt.
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That's right, one in a million. There's a better chance of you dieing in a plane crash than there is of another blowout such as this one.
 
apdst said:
Alot of those tourists work in the oil and gas industry. Tourists with no jobs sure as hell won't help the tourism industry.

This has nothing to do with anything but Obama's agenda.
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His agenda? He authorized more drilling before the spill. Given the majore disaster that happened, he reconsidered.

Tar balls and oily wildlife don't help tourism.
 
apdst said:
That's right, one in a million. There's a better chance of you dieing in a plane crash than there is of another blowout such as this one.
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I don't fly every day.
 
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