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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Considering all of the energy Maher uses, he shouldn't be whining about oil and coal jobs...
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    With all due respect, I could be afforded more respect than that. Last time I checked this forum isn't for Americans only. If you don't like that, maybe you should shove off.
    True that, but considering the environmental degregation in Canada from exploitation of the oil sands in places like Alberta and the scale of Canada's own oil industry, perhaps you should take care of your problems at home before worring about problems in the US.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    True that, but considering the environmental degregation in Canada from exploitation of the oil sands in places like Alberta and the scale of Canada's own oil industry, perhaps you should take care of your problems at home before worring about problems in the US.
    My home isn't in Alberta, and the OP is about something that happened in the U.S.

    This is the second time today someone irrelevantly called out my nationality. Why don't you back off.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    So now, all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that the oil apologists give a fat rats ass about "saving American jobs?"

    Really?



    Good one!

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Orion and others may not be from the U.S., but I am. And, as a Floridian, I'd like to say to the Louisiana oil workers, in the nicest possible way: **** YOUR JOBS.

    Maybe this is a sign from the universe that it's time to find a different line of work.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    My home isn't in Alberta, and the OP is about something that happened in the U.S.

    This is the second time today someone irrelevantly called out my nationality. Why don't you back off.
    You don't really invite polite or level debate with comments like 'the more the merrier' though, you know - especially when it's in support of people actually losing their jobs. Whether you like the industry or not aside - the root of the matter is that *right now* it's not going to be a good thing at all.

    Just sayin'

    In fact, most of your comments in regard to the US are critical of the US. . . . which is never taken with a lump of sugar. . . yet it's rare to see you criticize Canada of your country's own fouls in the same areas of debate.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Here it is, from a gulf perspective:

    THE MORE THE MERRIER.

    Gulf oil spill puts oyster shuckers, traditions on ice | NOLA.com

    The local oyster supply has been unsteady since late April, when the Gulf of Mexico oil spill triggered the precautionary closure of oyster harvesting areas and the opening of freshwater diversions, which can degrade the quality of oysters and, in some instances, kill them.

    Fishers have had unreliable access to oyster beds ever since, prompting many of them to seek employment with BP cleaning up the oil spill. In recent weeks, the unpredictable opening and closing of commercial fishing areas has combined with the reduced fleet of oyster boats to nearly suffocate the supply of Gulf oysters. Some restaurants known for raw Gulf oysters, such as Drago's and Dockside Seafood and Oyster Bar, have quit serving them altogether.

    "We're down to nothing," said Lisa Halili, vice president of Prestige Oysters Inc, a Texas oyster processor and distributor that is one of the largest oyster lease holders in Louisiana and Texas. "Ninety percent of our beds are closed."


    Thomas 'Uptown T' Stewart has been shucking oysters for more than 20 years at Pascal's Manale Restaurant in Uptown New Orleans.
    Lenny Minutillo, New Orleans sales manager of Louisiana Seafood Exchange, said most of the restaurants that he services have stopped selling oysters on the half-shell. When John Rotonti, owner of Felix's Restaurant and Oyster Bar, called the distributor on Tuesday, Minutillo answered the phone, "No Oyster Lenny."
    It's not just about the damn oil. There are other industries based around the gulf waters that are being decimated by this spill. So, forgive some of us if we're less than sympathetic to the industry "getting back to work."

    If every rig in the gulf sailed away, I could not be happier. Residents of the gulf coast have worried about this for years.

    To take your views to a reasonable conclusion, Aunt Spiker: You don't live on the gulf, so your opinions on this issue don't matter. That is, after all, what you're saying to Orion.

    The problem is that it's the same water, the same earth. What Cuba does in international waters impacts us directly. What the U.S. does impacts Canada, and vice versa. We all have a right, on this board, to express our opinions. Don't like that? Get the **** over it.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Orion and others may not be from the U.S., but I am. And, as a Floridian, I'd like to say to the Louisiana oil workers, in the nicest possible way: **** YOUR JOBS.

    Maybe this is a sign from the universe that it's time to find a different line of work.
    Once again: what jobs? What other line of work? There isn't anything - the market for employment has been tapped dry.
    We're not exactly brimming with production and multiple choice options for the unemployed.

    Aside that - you anti-oil people REALLY think the ONLY use for oil is fuel for our cars!

    Heavy bottoms - like asphalt, bitumen, tar

    Petrochemicals - used as a feedstock for many everyday products:

    * plastic gadgets, tools, bags, toys
    * candles
    * clothing (polyester, nylon)
    * hand lotions
    * petroleum jelly
    * perfume
    * dishwashing liquids
    * ink
    * bubble gums
    * car tires
    * ammonia
    * Natural gas
    * Paraffin wax

    When you support nipping the entire industry of oil-production you thusly are supporting nipping everything off this list.

    We will still - always - need oil to refine it into all of these products. Supporting natural/renewable-fuel sources can greatly reduce our dependency on oil - and is a more legitimate and focused thought process to have and argument to make.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Once again: what jobs? What other line of work? There isn't anything - the market for employment has been tapped dry.
    We will still - always - need oil to refine it into all of these products. Supporting natural/renewable-fuel sources can greatly reduce our dependency on oil - and is a more legitimate and focused thought process to have and argument to make.
    There are other sources of petroleum besides the rigs in the gulf, and perhaps those industries should start to see this as a sign that it's time to pursue other ways of manufacturing their products.

    Shockingly enough there are already products on the shelves that do not rely on toxic petrochemicals...

    Buy.com - Free & Clear Natural Dishwashing Liquid, Non-Toxic, 25 oz. Bottle

    Buying Guide - Body & Hand Lotions - The Green Guide

    Furthermore, decreased access to petroleum would force plastics manufacturers to design packaging with less plastic, and would get rid of this problem:

    http://gogreen.motivators.com/image....terBottles.jpg

    Recycled plastic would become a hot commodity, and maybe then people would be motivated to do something about the 38 billion plastic bottles that pile up in landfills annually.

    NEW INDUSTRIES would replace the existing industries. That's how a free market economy works.

    Remember...we once used whale oil for lamps, until the whales were hunted to near extinction.

    There are alternative product formulations in every category you named that don't require petrochemicals. Corporate America has little incentive to use different formulations that don't require a toxic industry that kills our land and waters, but an oil shortage could be highly motivational to all of us...in a good way.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Here it is, from a gulf perspective:

    THE MORE THE MERRIER.

    Gulf oil spill puts oyster shuckers, traditions on ice | NOLA.com



    It's not just about the damn oil. There are other industries based around the gulf waters that are being decimated by this spill. So, forgive some of us if we're less than sympathetic to the industry "getting back to work."

    If every rig in the gulf sailed away, I could not be happier. Residents of the gulf coast have worried about this for years.

    To take your views to a reasonable conclusion, Aunt Spiker: You don't live on the gulf, so your opinions on this issue don't matter. That is, after all, what you're saying to Orion.

    The problem is that it's the same water, the same earth. What Cuba does in international waters impacts us directly. What the U.S. does impacts Canada, and vice versa. We all have a right, on this board, to express our opinions. Don't like that? Get the **** over it.
    Ah - yeah - revenge and "if I don't get to have my income then you can't either!" attitude is counterproductive and childish.

    The fact of the matter is that it's an industry which employs a lot of people for things *other* that fueling your car for things that we use EVERY day and purchase and really depend on. . . so, if you want them to REALLY not have a market to produce for then step it up and PROVE to us we don't *need* oil by getting rid of EVERYING that's made from it . . . out the door your plastics, tires, hand lotions, perfumes, nylon stockings, pens (you know - INK) and printergs (you know - INK and PLASTIC) and prove to us we don't *neeeeed* it at all.

    Go on - show us somethin' baby!

    If you're THAT against something then STOP using it - boycott everything that comes from the industry you, Orion and everyone claims to hate - but gainfully employs at the same time.
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