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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Killing the oilfield jobs left the tourism folks and the fishermen nothing to fall back on.
    Au contraire, mon frere. Many of these folks are now working for BP, doing cleanup.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

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    The killing of hundreds of thousands of oilfield jobs rests squarely upon Barack's shoulders. He'll take that disgrace to his grave. He's done more to kill jobs than any other president in history.
    THis is a flat out lie, and we've already discussed it. There AREN'T hundreds of thousands of oil field jobs that have been killed.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    *Note: The figures NolaMan quoted for jobs lost from idle oil drilling rigs is over blown. The 2-week shift numbers still equate to 240 jobs because no matter how long the rigs operate they still employ the same people over an extended period of time. That's just like people being critical of the Obama Administration for tabulating "temporary" workers or those who were "rehired" as "new employees" when, in fact, they are the same people...they just got re-hired.

    2 shifts employ 280 oil rig workers (140 per shift) X 33 idle deepwater oil rigs = 9240 total employees

    Thousands of jobs lost, yes. But even that figure is based on ALL 33 deepwater oil rigs being active! I doubt that many oil rigs are sitting idle in the GOM right now from this moritorium, but those who think otherwise you're free to state your case.
    Your numbers though completely discount oil service workers that rely on these rigs being up and running for them to service as well. Given that, I do not think the numbers are quite as overblown as you are arguing.

    I believe that there were 29 active deepwater exploratory rigs actively working at the time of the moratorium. The moratorium has absolutely shut them down and some are now even leaving the area, basically eliminating those jobs in the region all together.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I believe that there were 29 active deepwater exploratory rigs actively working at the time of the moratorium. The moratorium has absolutely shut them down and some are now even leaving the area, basically eliminating those jobs in the region all together.
    Given that we know now that those rigs were not safe, and could have created a similar blowout, forgive me for not shedding any tears about the jobs. The jobs on those 29 rigs are the least of our concern right now.

    If other countries are willing to take the risk, that's on them, but as a country, for us to continue to take what we now know is an inordinate risk would be truly stupid. The fact that you and others continue to wish this on us is ridiculous.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Given that we know now that those rigs were not safe, and could have created a similar blowout, forgive me for not shedding any tears about the jobs. The jobs on those 29 rigs are the least of our concern right now.
    Every single one of those rigs was reinspecting by the Department of the Interior following the BP blowout, and they all passed. If passing government safety inspections following the BP disaster does not make you "safe", then what does?


    If other countries are willing to take the risk, that's on them, but as a country, for us to continue to take what we now know is an inordinate risk would be truly stupid. The fact that you and others continue to wish this on us is ridiculous.
    It is going to have a major economic impact on the area, that is just a fact. All of those rigs have since passed safety inspections, that is another fact. I do not feel that another incident like this is likely to occur. Sure it is possible, but what else do you want them to do to get back to work?

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Every single one of those rigs was reinspecting by the Department of the Interior following the BP blowout, and they all passed. If passing government safety inspections following the BP disaster does not make you "safe", then what does?
    Reassessing our safety and inspection protocols and making sure they are as through and as redundant as can possibly be, and also to make sure there is a reasonable protocol to deal with another leak should it occur, instead of fumbling around doing crap like shoving golf balls down a hole.

    Forgive us all for not having faith in inspection and safety protocols that have already failed massively.

    It is going to have a major economic impact on the area, that is just a fact. All of those rigs have since passed safety inspections, that is another fact. I do not feel that another incident like this is likely to occur. Sure it is possible, but what else do you want them to do to get back to work?
    More than just your gut feeling on the likelihood of this not occurring again , a bit of investigation and inquiry to assure that anything that can be done to minimize any and all chance of a repeat, it sucks that the jobs are on hold for now, but the situation in the gulf sucks many orders of magnitude worse.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Every single one of those rigs was reinspecting by the Department of the Interior following the BP blowout, and they all passed. If passing government safety inspections following the BP disaster does not make you "safe", then what does?
    Having an exit plan if something goes wrong. We know now that none of these deepwater rigs do. The job loss has to be balanced against the cataclysmic impact of these rigs springing a leak. Drilling and pumping at these wells should not re-start until we are sure we can stop a leak at 10,000 feet under water.
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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Reassessing our safety and inspection protocols and making sure they are as through and as redundant as can possibly be, and also to make sure there is a reasonable protocol to deal with another leak should it occur, instead of fumbling around doing crap like shoving golf balls down a hole.

    Forgive us all for not having faith in inspection and safety protocols that have already failed massively.
    Those inspection protocols have worked 99% of the time. Many rigs currently shut down operate in a different fashion than the BP one did. It would be akin to grounding all 747's because a 737 crashed due to a defect in something only found on a 737.

    More than just your gut feeling on the likelihood of this not occurring again , a bit of investigation and inquiry to assure that anything that can be done to minimize any and all chance of a repeat, it sucks that the jobs are on hold for now, but the situation in the gulf sucks many orders of magnitude worse.
    Those rigs were all reinvestigated... Should there be another spill, yes it could get worse, but the odds of that occuring are decidely against that argument.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Oil rigs passing government safety inspections is great, but it's only one part of this equation. The other is how prepared they are to stop a leak like the one BP is undertaking.

    My hope is every U.S. oil company that operates in deep waters is taking some hard lessons from this disaster and are better preparing themselve accordingly.

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    Re: First rig sails away over drilling ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Au contraire, mon frere. Many of these folks are now working for BP, doing cleanup.
    I'm sure those are awesome jobs!
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