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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Wait. What? The president's job is not similar to a CEO's?

    Are you serious?
    Yes please explain the correlation.

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Yes please explain the correlation.
    Incorrect word.

    A CEO provides the leadership for a company, vision for the future and top down attitude. They also often have last say on new products, decisions to finance and divesitures
    The president provides the leadership for the nation, vision for the future and top down attitude. They sign and veto bills and ultimately bear responsibility for all decisions.

    Why do you think they are drastically different?
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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Incorrect word.

    A CEO provides the leadership for a company, vision for the future and top down attitude. They also often have last say on new products, decisions to finance and divesitures
    The president provides the leadership for the nation, vision for the future and top down attitude. They sign and veto bills and ultimately bear responsibility for all decisions.

    Why do you think they are drastically different?
    Role of the President via the constitution:
    Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    Roles of a CEO via managmenthelp.org:
    LEADER
    Advises the Board
    Advocates / promotes organization and stakeholder change related to organization mission
    Supports motivation of employees in organization products/programs and operations

    VISIONARY / INFORMATION BEARER
    Ensures staff and Board have sufficient and up-to-date information
    Looks to the future for change opportunities
    Interfaces between Board and employees
    Interfaces between organization and community

    DECISION MAKER
    Formulates policies and planning recommendations to the Board
    Decides or guides courses of action in operations by staff

    MANAGER
    Oversees operations of organization
    Implements plans
    Manages human resources of organization
    Manages financial and physical resources

    BOARD DEVELOPER
    Assists in the selection and evaluation of board members
    Makes recommendations, supports Board during orientation and self-evaluation
    Supports Board's evaluation of Chief Executive
    1. Board Administration and Support
    Supports operations and administration of Board by advising and informing Board members, interfacing between Board and staff, and supporting Board's evaluation of chief executive

    2. Program, Product and Service Delivery
    Oversees design, marketing, promotion, delivery and quality of programs, products and services

    3. Financial, Tax, Risk and Facilities Management
    Recommends yearly budget for Board approval and prudently manages organization's resources within those budget guidelines according to current laws and regulations

    4. Human Resource Management
    Effectively manages the human resources of the organization according to authorized personnel policies and procedures that fully conform to current laws and regulations

    5. Community and Public Relations
    Assures the organization and its mission, programs, products and services are consistently presented in strong, positive image to relevant stakeholders

    6. Fundraising (nonprofit-specific)
    Oversees fundraising planning and implementation, including identifying resource requirements, researching funding sources, establishing strategies to approach funders, submitting proposals and administrating fundraising records and documentation
    I fail to see a close enough simillarity between the two in order to justify simillar pays. Now for a lame joke that I couldn't resist. Please don't be insulted, but this should have been obvious, child :P

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    You fail to see the similarities because you did not read your links.

    You posted how the President oversees basically the government. And how a CEO oversees the company. You then posted how the CEO advises the board, which is similar to the President advising Congress. You then posted how the President fills positions and then cite how a CEO does the same thing with HR.

    Right now Republicans are bashing Obama for poor fiscal management. Which is the 4th point in your CEO paragraph. As Bush and Obama and pretty much every president has done, they look to the future and attempt to push policy towards that. Bush for example in his NASA push for Mars. Obama in clean energy. The same fashion how a CEO plans a vision for the future.

    It's pretty obvious if you actually read what you posted to see how they are very similar.

    If you don't want to read what you post, that's fine. But don't get mad at me when I start being very unpleasant to you by bashing you with your own posts.
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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    At least he's appropriately named.

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    If you pay less (overall once you factor in benefits) you are probably going to get less capable people. Since government has an effect on all of our lives, they need to have good people who can get the job done.

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    You fail to see the similarities because you did not read your links.
    Wrong
    You posted how the President oversees basically the government.
    Wrong
    You then posted how the CEO advises the board, which is similar to the President advising Congress.
    I've advised congress by letter, does that make me similar to a CEO?
    You then posted how the President fills positions and then cite how a CEO does the same thing with HR.
    Yes
    Right now Republicans are bashing Obama for poor fiscal management. Which is the 4th point in your CEO paragraph. As Bush and Obama and pretty much every president has done, they look to the future and attempt to push policy towards that. Bush for example in his NASA push for Mars. Obama in clean energy. The same fashion how a CEO plans a vision for the future.
    Not just republicans. There is a slight similarity here, but this is MUCH more of a congress thing than a president thing. So I'll call this 75% wrong.

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If you pay less (overall once you factor in benefits) you are probably going to get less capable people. Since government has an effect on all of our lives, they need to have good people who can get the job done.
    Our government is still incompetent. I still believe that by-and-large, they make more. So I guess the inverse of your statement is wrong?

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Our government is still incompetent. I still believe that by-and-large, they make more. So I guess the inverse of your statement is wrong?
    The government is both competent and incompetent. I think it depends on what part of it you are referring to. Also, as noted, people only make more at the lowest rungs.

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    Re: The disparity between federal and private sector pay...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The government is both competent and incompetent. I think it depends on what part of it you are referring to. Also, as noted, people only make more at the lowest rungs.
    Where has the government been competent?

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