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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Vance - thanks for trying. I was posting using vernacular attributed to "Palin Hating Leftists" with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. It was obviously lost on some who instead decided to get their knickers in a knot over my word selection. These are, of course, the same people who have no problem with the use of the words "leftard" or "libtard" - gawd forbid I might actually offend the offspring of their goddess. Truth be told, I think Trig is the smart one in the family.
    No, your meaning wasn't "lost". I knew exactly what you meant, despite your protestations to the contrary now that you've been called out.

    By the way, I would appreciate a quote of me using the words "leftard" or "libtard". I'll expect an apology when you can't find any.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, your meaning wasn't "lost". I knew exactly what you meant, despite your protestations to the contrary now that you've been called out.

    By the way, I would appreciate a quote of me using the words "leftard" or "libtard". I'll expect an apology when you can't find any.
    I would appreciate a quote of me saying that you use those words. I'll expect an apology when you can't find any.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    I would appreciate a quote of me saying that you use those words. I'll expect an apology when you can't find any.
    OK, I'll play your silly game. Let's see quotes of "leftard" or "libtard" from anyone that commented on your partisan and cruel remark about Palins baby.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    OK, I'll play your silly game. Let's see quotes of "leftard" or "libtard" from anyone that commented on your partisan and cruel remark about Palins baby.
    Or rather, how about we go look in the current thread with "leftard" in the title and see how many people called it "cruel" and "partisan."

    Or even better, we could go back on topic! Now there's a novel idea.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Or rather, how about we go look in the current thread with "leftard" in the title and see how many people called it "cruel" and "partisan."

    Or even better, we could go back on topic! Now there's a novel idea.
    Don't know what you're talking about. This thread doesn't have "leftard" in the title.

    I don't recall seeing a post from you in this thread that was "on topic". All you've done since you came to this thread was troll and snipe.

    What's wrong... don't have anything substantive to say about the topic???

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Don't know what you're talking about. This thread doesn't have "leftard" in the title.

    I don't recall seeing a post from you in this thread that was "on topic". All you've done since you came to this thread was troll and snipe.

    What's wrong... don't have anything substantive to say about the topic???
    I said WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back before you derailed this thread by chastizing me and piling on that healthcare is already rationed.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    Private companies do not "ration" care, there is not a waiting list unless the physician cannot schedule a surgery or other procedure immediately.
    ??? So, there's not a waiting list unless...........there's a waiting list. I'm sure other health care systems wouldn't have a waiting list unless there was a reason, such as the physician cannot schedule a surgery or other procedure immediately.

    As a side note, our system has always had a waiting list. Just because we call them appointments doesn't change the effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    Denials of coverage happen for a multitude of reasons and differing frequencies...
    Isn't denial of coverage just another way of saying rationing? Aren't there different reasons for rationing as well?


    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    ...there may be a network conflict and a practitioner may not be in the approved network, this is remedied when the practitioner decides to join and usually happens in PPOs, OPOs, and other provider network products
    Kinda limits the ol' 'free to choose the doctor of my choice' mantra

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    Medicare and Medicaid have the highest denials(government)...
    Medicare's highest denials are coded:

    *Claim/service lacks information which is needed for adjudication.

    *Claim not covered by this payer/contractor. You must send the claim to the correct payer/contractor.

    People/providers don't fill out claims correctly or are confused on where and to whom to send them to. A single payer system has only ONE place to send the claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    ...the VA has one of the worst satisfaction ratings of any system.
    Oh...
    Patients routinely rank the veterans system above the alternatives, according to the American Customer Satisfaction Index. Last year, the government program got a satisfaction rating of 85 for inpatient treatment, compared with 77 for private hospitals. The index, a University of Michigan project, found that veterans’ outpatient care scored 3 points higher.

    Vets Loving Socialized Medicine Show Government Offers Savings - Bloomberg
    Gallup shows that private vs. Medicare satisfaction pretty much even over the last several years.

    Rating Public and Private Health Insurance - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    In full context it's clear exactly what this guy wants.
    If you go back to the OP article and read the interview linked, you can see clearly "exactly what this guy wants".
    In the interview he is talking about how to use CER (Comparative Effectiveness Research) to reduce ineffective and costly medical treatments. Isn't that what we're after, lowering medical costs?
    Here's that particular Q&A.
    Q: Critics of CER have said that it will lead to the rationing of healthcare.
    A: We can make a sensible social decision and say, “Well, at this
    point, to have access to a particular additional benefit [new drug or medical intervention] is so expensive that our taxpayers have better use for those funds.” We make those decisions all the time. The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly.
    Sounds like he's looking after tax payer money.
    Unless someone can figure out how to pay for every procedure for everyone for any reason, somebody has to make a hard decision. And no I wouldn't rather have a private executive, with his year end bonus on the line, making that decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter
    Repetition of wrong does not change wrong. But it does get repetitive.
    Right or wrong, why is it all of a sudden an issue when it's spoken of by a democrat, when it has been going on all along?
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    ??? So, there's not a waiting list unless...........there's a waiting list. I'm sure other health care systems wouldn't have a waiting list unless there was a reason, such as the physician cannot schedule a surgery or other procedure immediately.

    As a side note, our system has always had a waiting list. Just because we call them appointments doesn't change the effect.
    Surely you are not attempting to compare wait times in the U.S. with those in countries with socialized medicine. Does it take you over 18 weeks to see a surgeon?? I know it doesn't in my family.

    The average wait time for a Canadian awaiting surgery or other medical treatment is now 18.3 weeks, a new high, according to a report released Monday.

    That's an increase of 97 per cent over 14 years, the report says.

    "Canadians wait longer than Americans, Germans, and Swedes for cardiac care, although not as long as New Zealanders or the British," it reads. "Economists attempting to quantify the cost of this waiting time have estimated it to amount to $1,100 to $5,600 annually per patient."

    The report, the 17th annual edition of Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada, is published by the Fraser Institute, an independent Canadian research organization.

    "Despite government promises and the billions of dollars funnelled into the Canadian health-care system, the average patient waited more than 18 weeks in 2007 between seeing their family doctor and receiving the surgery or treatment they required," said Nadeem Esmail, director of Health System Performance Studies at the Fraser Institute and co-author of the report, in a release.
    Read more: CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery, medical treatments at all-time high: report

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    ??? So, there's not a waiting list unless...........there's a waiting list. I'm sure other health care systems wouldn't have a waiting list unless there was a reason, such as the physician cannot schedule a surgery or other procedure immediately.
    I hope you are being dishonest here otherwise I'll have to write your opinion off. The system of private care is not denying anything unless there is a conflict with the contract, all of that is in writing beforehand, a physician having a waiting list is not even remotely ****ing close to a government board making you wait so they don't have the money to fullfill demand.

    As a side note, our system has always had a waiting list. Just because we call them appointments doesn't change the effect.
    That is a load of asanine crap. Waiting a week is not in the same ballpark as waiting months to years because of funding shortages in a public plan. You have no ground to stand on here.

    Isn't denial of coverage just another way of saying rationing? Aren't there different reasons for rationing as well?
    No, and the fact that you are hanging on to this worthless talking point shows just how uninformed many people are about the subject.


    Kinda limits the ol' 'free to choose the doctor of my choice' mantra


    Medicare's highest denials are coded:

    *Claim/service lacks information which is needed for adjudication.

    *Claim not covered by this payer/contractor. You must send the claim to the correct payer/contractor.

    People/providers don't fill out claims correctly or are confused on where and to whom to send them to. A single payer system has only ONE place to send the claim.


    Oh...


    Gallup shows that private vs. Medicare satisfaction pretty much even over the last several years.

    Rating Public and Private Health Insurance - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com


    If you go back to the OP article and read the interview linked, you can see clearly "exactly what this guy wants".
    In the interview he is talking about how to use CER (Comparative Effectiveness Research) to reduce ineffective and costly medical treatments. Isn't that what we're after, lowering medical costs?
    Here's that particular Q&A.

    Sounds like he's looking after tax payer money.
    Unless someone can figure out how to pay for every procedure for everyone for any reason, somebody has to make a hard decision. And no I wouldn't rather have a private executive, with his year end bonus on the line, making that decision.


    Right or wrong, why is it all of a sudden an issue when it's spoken of by a democrat, when it has been going on all along?
    AAAAAAND, insert wordy emotionalized irrelevant crap here seems to be the health debate tactic of the day.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Surely you are not attempting to compare wait times in the U.S. with those in countries with socialized medicine. Does it take you over 18 weeks to see a surgeon?? I know it doesn't in my family.



    Read more: CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery, medical treatments at all-time high: report
    Gill, how dare you stand in the way of their free ****, that the rest of us have to pay for! How can you be so heartless as to want to keep what you've earned and defend a better system with facts! How DARE you insist that people be honest in the massive failure that is UHC! [sarcasm off]
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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