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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Really?



    My contention is that no President has ever completely by passed the Senate confirmation process and appointed someone that his own party hadn't finished vetting....... like Barry did.

    So please back up your statement that it’s been done hundreds of times, or admit that what Barry did is unprecedented in the history of this country.
    I was arguing that presidents have made hundreds of recess appointments before, not that they were all the exact same in every detail as you want them to be.

    They can either do it or they can't. All these special caveats you're throwing in there don't matter in my opinion.

    It's like arguing that it's unprecedented because it's never been done on a Tuesday.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Are you arguing that it's not common place for presidents to make recess appointments for spots that didn't become vacant during that recess?
    You are being deliberately obtuse, that usually happens when you know you lost...... bye bye.
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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I was arguing that presidents have made hundreds of recess appointments before, not that they were all the exact same in every detail as you want them to be.

    They can either do it or they can't. All these special caveats you're throwing in there don't matter in my opinion.

    It's like arguing that it's unprecedented because it's never been done on a Tuesday.
    Recess appointments have been used when the confirmation process has stalled..... whether that is legal or not, it is done.

    Barry completely by passed that constitutional requirement, and that has never been done to my knowledge.

    Not exactly what I would call SOP, and he needs to be called on it, and I think he will be, by both parties. If he’s not, what we have in this country is a dictatorship.
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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You are being deliberately obtuse, that usually happens when you know you lost...... bye bye.
    I honestly wasn't trying to be obtuse. I was just saying that the caveats you keep pointing out, that he needed to be stalled in confirmation hearings" etc. aren't found anywhere in the constitution and are imo details that don't matter other than to change the subject of whether or not he can make recess appointments. History has shown that he can.

    I agree that what he did was right. There was no need to have his appointment stalled up in hearings for a long period when we need someone of his experience in that position.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Recess appointments have been used when the confirmation process has stalled..... whether that is legal or not, it is done.

    Barry completely by passed that constitutional requirement, and that has never been done to my knowledge.

    Not exactly what I would call SOP, and he needs to be called on it, and I think he will be, by both parties. If he’s not, what we have in this country is a dictatorship.
    Just to be completely honest, this sounds more or less like conservatives have found a tiny detail in this appointment that isn't common in most appointments or maybe has never happened in any other appointments (I can't think of any with the same details you keep pointing out) just to have something to complain about.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

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    Not for nothing...but why? Why do you personally find it insulting?

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    And for the record, my oldest sister in law had Down...and she was a wonderful person...a true blessing in my life...
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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Recess appointments have been used when the confirmation process has stalled..... whether that is legal or not, it is done.

    Barry completely by passed that constitutional requirement, and that has never been done to my knowledge.

    Not exactly what I would call SOP, and he needs to be called on it, and I think he will be, by both parties. If he’s not, what we have in this country is a dictatorship.
    Well... chalk this up to another thing that hasn't changed with the Obama Administration. The guy though is a bit creepy in his opinions though. Was there no one else available?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Just to be completely honest, this sounds more or less like conservatives have found a tiny detail in this appointment that isn't common in most appointments or maybe has never happened in any other appointments (I can't think of any with the same details you keep pointing out) just to have something to complain about.
    You're partly right - but it doesn't matter who is in the WH - (R) or (D), the other side will always bitch about it. So partly, it's just partisanship, but this particular guy --- a further out of my comfort zone than usual. But - many said that about Bolton when Bush appointed him.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    John Bolton

    I suppose Bush should have been impeached for that move huh?
    Apples and oranges.

    Bolton went through the committee hearing process.

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    Re: President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    There's a major caveat but sure, I wouldn't mind.

    If the Dems were playing games and lying about the guy and what he said, or stalling votes for no good reason, then I think it's the presidents responsibility to do this so we have people in the spots they need to be, doing their job.

    If you simply look at the memo passed around by the Republicans it's easy to see they were preparing to twist his words and clip his quotes to fit their agenda and politicize this appointment.

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    He was obviously talking in the context of how this is already happening, and not that he wants us to start rationing healthcare.
    So what? No votes are being stalled, since no votes have been taken, or even scheduled. In fact, no hearings have even been scheduled. Why the rush? The Democrats haven't even completed their vetting of the guy, so why did Obama feel he had to do a recess appointment? I think the only ones playing games with this nomination are Obama and the Democrats.
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