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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are kind of all over the place on this, arent you...

    The fed insisted that BP drill for oil at 5000 feet. Frankly, I think BP would rather drill closer to the coast...or for the huge deposits in Utah and Colorado, or Alaska, then at 5000 feet.
    Really the fed forced BP to drill at 5000 feet. The government said drill here or we will shut you down, throw you in jail and otherwise torture all the employees of BP for the sheer pleasure of hurting people?

    Or did BP choose to drill there over a lack of better choices avaliable


    Regardless...Ive NEVER...not once...suggested BP shouldnt pay for it. What I HAVE said is that instead of allowing 1 barrel of oil...86,400 barrels a day, and a total of 7 MILLION 344 THOUSAND barrels of oil to spill into the gulf coast, polluting Texas, La, Alabama, Florida, into the Key's, now up the Atlantic, and into lake Ponchetran...the priority should have been sealing the leak...get the **** out of the way, stop trying to save a well or collect the oil, and seal the leak. Period. We'll deal with putting BP into bankruptcy later...but first and foremost...stop the leak.
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    But since when did the government have the technical knowledge on how to stop oil well blowouts at 5000 feet? The government is not used to stop blowouts on land, because it does not have the technical expertise to do so. It certainly does not have the knowledge to do so at 5000 ft. The best choice the government could come up with would be to nuke it like the Russian's did a few times. The only organizations that have the expertise to plug the well without nukes are not part of the US government. Meaning BP could hire them and use them to plug the thing,


    And it isnt the people in Louisiana that want/need the oil. Unless Im mistaken, those people in Montana are also using fossil fuels...we all do. We all need it. and one way or another we are ALL going to pay for it. But first...you stop the oil flow. Then you go after BP. I dont care if you dump 300,000,000 cinder blocks on it, pipe in liquid glass, put the worlds biggest cork on a submarine and drive it straight into it or put Michelles fat ass in there (oh yes...dont think we have forgotten the boob belts...)...but you stop the leak. 4 tries in 85 days to find a way to recapture the oil and contain the flow isnt the same as trying any and every viable option to STOP the flow.
    The people of Louisiana are/were profiting from it, heck they want the deepwater drilling to continue right now, in the midst of this blowout (they went to court to overturn the temp ban on deepwater drilling) As they wanted the drilling, profited from it, and want it to continue let them pay for the clean up that BP does not pay for. Stop expecting uninvolved people to pay for bad decisions made by others. That is socialism,
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, sure; piece-a-cake. That's just boat crews. That doesn't count pipe yards, tool companies, service hands, truck drivers, catering companies. Not to mention all the non-oilfield related companies where these people spend their income, such as car dealerships, resturants, grocery store, house mortgages, etc.

    And, yes, they're all American, because to work offshore and leave out of an American dock facility, a person has to possess a TWIC (transportation worker's identification card) and foreiners can't get a TWIC.





    Does that mean you would support a government bailout of the oil and gas industry?
    no i would not.. nor any other industry.
    but you seem to imply that more should be done to save the oil and gas industry who has jeopardized the entire gulf fishing and tourism industry, which IMO is a far more critical and larger economic part of the area than a few deep water wells or their support.
    nobody goes to the gulf of mexico to see the oil platforms(except those that are reaping the benefits of said platforms) or the results of their complacency.

    IMO you seem blinded by "rage against the machine" and cant get beyond your apparent distain to be objective to whats happened here..

    the oil industry, in the midst of their greed, made obvioulsy unfounded claims to be capable of managing the feat of drilling safely at 5000ft, even though there was not any means to stop the "worst case scenario".
    the "worst case scenario" happened and nobody had a plan to stop it, although others had their chance to come up with something and did nothing on their watch, for fear of being the bad guy and biting the hand that pays them in one way or another.
    now the entire gulf region's mainstay is corrupted for years, perhaps decades.
    so up steps the first democratic president to attempt enforcement of a temporary offshore restriction until a more capable plan could be developed(as opposed to the prior republican presidents who outright banned drilling in critical areas) and you cant see any reason for the moratorium?!?
    even in light of the overwhelming numbers of people who are affected outside of the oil industry..?!? those alleged 20K oil workers is a tiny number when compared to the amount of people affected otherwise an yet you still defend the oil industry and their recklessness like its someone elses fault they screwed up.

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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    no i would not.. nor any other industry.
    but you seem to imply that more should be done to save the oil and gas industry who has jeopardized the entire gulf fishing and tourism industry, which IMO is a far more critical and larger economic part of the area than a few deep water wells or their support.
    nobody goes to the gulf of mexico to see the oil platforms(except those that are reaping the benefits of said platforms) or the results of their complacency.

    IMO you seem blinded by "rage against the machine" and cant get beyond your apparent distain to be objective to whats happened here..

    the oil industry, in the midst of their greed, made obvioulsy unfounded claims to be capable of managing the feat of drilling safely at 5000ft, even though there was not any means to stop the "worst case scenario".
    the "worst case scenario" happened and nobody had a plan to stop it, although others had their chance to come up with something and did nothing on their watch, for fear of being the bad guy and biting the hand that pays them in one way or another.
    now the entire gulf region's mainstay is corrupted for years, perhaps decades.
    so up steps the first democratic president to attempt enforcement of a temporary offshore restriction until a more capable plan could be developed(as opposed to the prior republican presidents who outright banned drilling in critical areas) and you cant see any reason for the moratorium?!?
    even in light of the overwhelming numbers of people who are affected outside of the oil industry..?!? those alleged 20K oil workers is a tiny number when compared to the amount of people affected otherwise an yet you still defend the oil industry and their recklessness like its someone elses fault they screwed up.
    So, the solution to fix the fishing and tourism, is to put an entire industry out of business, destroy the economy of an entire region, put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and cut off six billion dollars of annual revenue to the government; the government's single largest source of non-tax revenue?

    And, how is that supposed to help things, again? Care to explain that one?
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the solution to fix the fishing and tourism, is to put an entire industry out of business, destroy the economy of an entire region, put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and cut off six billion dollars of annual revenue to the government; the government's single largest source of non-tax revenue?

    And, how is that supposed to help things, again? Care to explain that one?
    Nobody has advocated a total, permanent shut down of oil drilling.
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the solution to fix the fishing and tourism, is to put an entire industry out of business, destroy the economy of an entire region, put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and cut off six billion dollars of annual revenue to the government; the government's single largest source of non-tax revenue?

    And, how is that supposed to help things, again? Care to explain that one?
    The moratorium stops experimental drilling on less than 35 rigs out of the 1,300 already in the Gulf, this is not going to cripple the Gulf Coast region.
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Really the fed forced BP to drill at 5000 feet. The government said drill here or we will shut you down, throw you in jail and otherwise torture all the employees of BP for the sheer pleasure of hurting people?

    Or did BP choose to drill there over a lack of better choices avaliable

    Right,

    But since when did the government have the technical knowledge on how to stop oil well blowouts at 5000 feet? The government is not used to stop blowouts on land, because it does not have the technical expertise to do so. It certainly does not have the knowledge to do so at 5000 ft. The best choice the government could come up with would be to nuke it like the Russian's did a few times. The only organizations that have the expertise to plug the well without nukes are not part of the US government. Meaning BP could hire them and use them to plug the thing,



    The people of Louisiana are/were profiting from it, heck they want the deepwater drilling to continue right now, in the midst of this blowout (they went to court to overturn the temp ban on deepwater drilling) As they wanted the drilling, profited from it, and want it to continue let them pay for the clean up that BP does not pay for. Stop expecting uninvolved people to pay for bad decisions made by others. That is socialism,
    Actually...yes...the fed said you cant drill here and forced them into deepwater drilling. Of COURSE an oil company is going to drill...because they SELL oil and you BUY and NEED oil.

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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually...yes...the fed said you cant drill here and forced them into deepwater drilling. Of COURSE an oil company is going to drill...because they SELL oil and you BUY and NEED oil.
    They were not forced to drill there, they could have said no, we dont want to and the big bad governmernt couldnt have done anything to force them to. America is not a totalitarian state, where the government says jump and everyone says how high

    BP made the decision to drill there, because guess what there was oil there, and buy the looks of it a fair bit
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    If oil companies were allowed to drill in shallow water they'd be drilling in shallow AND deep water.
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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If oil companies were allowed to drill in shallow water they'd be drilling in shallow AND deep water.



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    Re: Coast Guard bans reporters from oil cleanup sites

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