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Glenn Beck launches online University

The problem is...Reason is a more credible source than you (anonymous internet guy) or Glenn Beck. But thanks for playing.

What sources do you trust, PI?

ROFLMNAO!

I knew that I could count on you to set aside any pretense that your argument rested in invalid reasoing... Specifically, your reasoning rests in raw ad verecundiam; OKA: The Appeal to Authority; a fatally flawed, unsustainable species of reasoning common to all employers, without regard to the specific facet, of "Left-think".


Now my favorite part here, is that as an advocate of "Reason Magazine"... you're claiming that the credibility status garnered by simply being a magazine, rates greater than that of a 'guy on the internet'; COMPLETELY SETTING ASIDE... THE REASONING!

Hysterical...
 
I'm just saying I do not know what I am, guy. You can cut out the really enthusiastic political commentator gag too. It gets old when you have seen it for a decade and realize it gets annoying trying to picture that guy talking to you about it in real life. I prefer not to talk to someone who speaks like a cartoon character. Later.

Well it's not a complex equation friend... it's a simple matter of immutable, natural principle; perhaps we can work through it together.

Now in such circumstances, it's best to list the issues at hand and come to agreement on the terms relevant to the issues; otherwise any discussion will eventually and inevitably become mired down in quarrels over the meaning of these terms...

I'd like to suggest we come to grips first with the term "Right"... and your feelings on the origins and authority of such; relevant to human beings of course...

Do you agree that we, the individual human being are endowed by our Creator with equal, certain, self-evident, unalienable rights? Rights which are sustained by the bearing of sacred responsibilities to defend those rights and the means to exercise them, not only for yourself, but for your neighbor; and that by defending your neighbor's right, you defend sustain your own?
 
That phrase is really kind of 1990s gay. You really should get up to speed and use something like "fabulous."

LOL... FABULOUS!

I just adore the Progressive tendency to denigrate the lowly Homosexual when they find their ideas failing them... again.

Of course the relevant point here is that the opposition has all but wholly abandoned any attempt to argue the issue and as progressive's inevitably must... has opted instead, to change the subject.
 
Why wouldn't you just cut out the middleman and make stuff up on your own? It's not like Beck is the only one that can do that...
 
Why wouldn't you just cut out the middleman and make stuff up on your own? It's not like Beck is the only one that can do that...

ROFLMNAO...

Hey LOOK KIDS! It's the Raw, but all too baseless assertion that Beck has 'just made something up and intentionally conveyed it as fact'...

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Deceit and fraud... the core properties of the Ideological Left.
 
Hey LOOK KIDS! It's the Raw, but all too baseless assertion that Beck has 'just made something up and intentionally conveyed it as fact'...

The man doesn't even claim to be a journalist... He describes himself as an "entertainer"... Pretty much every single day a new story comes out where it turns out he completely fabricated some piece of information or another... Seriously, you are oblivious to all that?
 
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And David Barton talks way too fast.
He does this so you won't catch the lies he is telling you.


TPM goes to class:

Me And Glenn Down By The Schoolyard: TPM Enrolls At Glenn Beck's 'University' | TPM LiveWire

Barton elaborated. He began by talking about Alexis de Tocqueville's concept of "American Exceptionalism," noting that "there's gotta be a reason we're different" from other democracies. That's where the "Black-Robed Regiment" comes in. These, according to Barton, were the preachers who influenced the bulk of the Declaration of Independence:
The Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a listing of all of the sermons that folks had been hearing in church in the decades leading up to the American Revolution.
 
The man doesn't even claim to be a journalist... He describes himself as an "entertainer"... Pretty much every single day a new story comes out where it turns out he completely fabricated some piece of information or another... Seriously, you are oblivious to all that?



ROFLMNAO... Are you appealing to the authority of "Journalists"? 'Cause it sure looks like ya are...

If so, would ya like me to educate you on the fatal flaw in such reasoning? But I warn you... the facts associated with such will remain immutable, despite my not being an educator...

But setting that truth aside; I am going to have to overtly challenge you to post the evidence of Beck being proven to have fabricated information and passed it along as truth.

You should understand that your failure to do so will constitute your conceding to me, that your assertion is a fabrication, passed along as fact; ironically deomonstrating YOU to be precisely the fraud you've come to lament; and where you post evidence and it is found to be deceit... you'll enjoy a smidge of separation from that humiliation, but not sufficient to find much comfort I'm afraid.

Which sort of places you between the devil and the deep blue Publius... now doesn't it?
 
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He does this so you won't catch the lies he is telling you.


TPM goes to class:

Me And Glenn Down By The Schoolyard: TPM Enrolls At Glenn Beck's 'University' | TPM LiveWire

TPM?

ROFLMNAO... Sweet Mother... Why not just quote a DU thread?

The coolest part of your post however is that neither you nor the resin caked minds of TPM could even bother to offer a contest of the Lecture's content.

So I challenge ya... straight up Scooter. What about the lecture was inaccurate or 'factually challenged', if you prefer?

Naturally, failure to prove the falsity in the lecture will constitute your concession to me, that despite your desperate desire to claim Beck's position and his guest lecturer is wrong... you've no means to prove otherwise...

Which is at the end of the day, just really nasty stuff in terms of veracity, integrity and all that sort of simplistic, antiquated agrarian ethos...
 
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TPM?

ROFLMNAO... Sweet Mother... Why not just quote a DU thread?

The coolest part of your post however is that neither you nor the resin caked minds of TPM could even bother to offer a contest of the Lecture's content.

So I challenge ya... straight up Scooter. What about the lecture was inaccurate or 'factually challenged', if you prefer?

Naturally, failure to prove the falsity in the lecture will constitute your concession to me, that despite your desperate desire to claim Beck's position and his guest lecturer is wrong... you've no means to prove otherwise...

Which is at the end of the day, just really nasty stuff in terms of veracity, integrity and all that sort of simplistic, antiquated agrarian ethos...
I didn't watch, but apparently Barton claimed that the Constitution was based on the Book of Deuteronomy. Can you prove this Sweet Meadow Melons?
 
ROFLMNAO... Are you appealing to the authority of "Journalists"? 'Cause it sure looks like ya are...

Doesn't seem like you're understanding. A journalist is somebody who purports to be reporting information about the world. Glenn Beck doesn't even claim to be doing that... He says he is entertaining his audience instead... He doesn't even claim to deserve the blind faith you appear to be giving him... Seriously, just watch any 1 epsidode of his program. While you're watching, google every "factual" statement he makes. I'll bet you anything that at least one of them turns out to be a flat out fabrication...

But setting that truth aside; I am going to have to overtly challenge you to post the evidence of Beck being proven to have fabricated information and passed it along as truth.

You can't possibly seriously be challenging me on that point...

Thar he blows,the lies of Glenn Beck the Great White Dope
Scarborough: Beck segment on health care reform "connection" "as confusing to me as it was to his guests" | Media Matters for America
Fox News Boycott » lies
Will Fox News hold Beck to its Dan Rather standard? | Media Matters for America
Note to Beck: Doors repaired with stimulus funds were hangar doors and did not cost $1.4 million | Media Matters for America
News Corpse » The Anatomy Of A Glenn Beck Lie:
More Glenn Beck Lies Exposed
Beck aired false claim that a union only needs 30 percent support from employees to be "established" | Media Matters for America
Glenn Beck's Crazy Lies About Van Jones | Environment | AlterNet
Beck falsely claimed average UAW worker makes $154 per hour | Media Matters for America
Beck claims 9-12 protests "largest march on Washington ever" based on "overseas" reporting | Media Matters for America
Beck calls Senate-confirmed Orszag a "czar" | Media Matters for America

I mean, do you just not have google even? You could find 100 more in like 10 seconds...
 
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I didn't watch, but apparently Barton claimed that the Constitution was based on the Book of Deuteronomy. Can you prove this Sweet Meadow Melons?

As a general rule, I don't spend much time disproving apparent supposition... I'd like to think that you've been misinformed... because the only other alternative is you're advancing that drivel knowing that it's not true, for the overt purpose of deceiving this board.

The US Constitution was based upon the principles set forth in the US Constitution... principles which are founded in Christianity... which stems from Judaism...


Are you actually trying to contest this?

Before ya answer... You MAY want to spend some time considering The Grand Charter of Liberty... which preceded the US Constitution by a few years and was in large measure resting in the same principled understanding.

I'm afraid I've some very bad news for ya here... Contrary to that of which you've been misinformed... America is defined by her keystone, immutable Christian founding principles. Those who recognize, respect and defend the unapologetic observance and practice of those principles are "Americans." Those who believe in the antithetis of those principles and otherwise contest and oppose those principles are Anti-Americans... and this without regard for citizenship or to geographic proximity.
 
Doesn't seem like you're understanding. A journalist is somebody who purports to be reporting information about the world. Glenn Beck doesn't even claim to be doing that... He says he is entertaining his audience instead... He doesn't even claim to deserve the blind faith you appear to be giving him... Seriously, just watch any 1 epsidode of his program. While you're watching, google every "factual" statement he makes. I'll bet you anything that at least one of them turns out to be a flat out fabrication...



You can't possibly seriously be challenging me on that point...

Thar he blows,the lies of Glenn Beck the Great White Dope
Scarborough: Beck segment on health care reform "connection" "as confusing to me as it was to his guests" | Media Matters for America
Fox News Boycott » lies
Will Fox News hold Beck to its Dan Rather standard? | Media Matters for America
Note to Beck: Doors repaired with stimulus funds were hangar doors and did not cost $1.4 million | Media Matters for America
News Corpse » The Anatomy Of A Glenn Beck Lie:
More Glenn Beck Lies Exposed
Beck aired false claim that a union only needs 30 percent support from employees to be "established" | Media Matters for America
Glenn Beck's Crazy Lies About Van Jones | Environment | AlterNet
Beck falsely claimed average UAW worker makes $154 per hour | Media Matters for America
Beck claims 9-12 protests "largest march on Washington ever" based on "overseas" reporting | Media Matters for America
Beck calls Senate-confirmed Orszag a "czar" | Media Matters for America

I mean, do you just not have google even? You could find 100 more in like 10 seconds...



Oh so you want me to accept your urls as actual valid examples which validate your assertion...

Sorry, that's not how it works...

What you need to do, is to actually dig through your own disinformation, find your best shot, cull the information, quote it, build an intellectually sound, logically valid argument around your evidence, citing your source.

Now be sure to get right back to me when you've managed to work up something resembling that minimal requirement.

Otherwise, at some point I'll just recognize that you've conceded the point and opted not to formalize it...
 
Oh so you want me to accept your urls as actual valid examples which validate your assertion...

Sorry, that's not how it works...

What you need to do, is to actually dig through your own disinformation, find your best shot, cull the information, quote it, build an intellectually sound, logically valid argument around your evidence, citing your source.

Now be sure to get right back to me when you've managed to work up something resembling that minimal requirement.

Otherwise, at some point I'll just recognize that you've conceded the point and opted not to formalize it...

What? I exceeded that requirement... There are like 25 clear cut examples I provided above... If you just don't want to read them, that is your problem, not mine.
 
Doesn't seem like you're understanding. A journalist is somebody who purports to be reporting information about the world. Glenn Beck doesn't even claim to be doing that... He says he is entertaining his audience instead... He doesn't even claim to deserve the blind faith you appear to be giving him... Seriously, just watch any 1 epsidode of his program. While you're watching, google every "factual" statement he makes. I'll bet you anything that at least one of them turns out to be a flat out fabrication...

False... Beck most decidedly does claim to be reporting information about the world. That he does so without boring the crap out of everyone provides him with the means to do so to a very large audience.

Now this in stark contrast to the long since defunk Disp-Air America... MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times, Washington Post, sNews Week and other such impotent Leftist organs.
 
Glenn Beck's views on him being a journalist.

– “I am not a journalist. I’m just a guy who cares. I’m sorry. I’m just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country.” [Fox News, 2/3/2009]

– “I’m not a journalist. I’m just a dad, man. I’m a guy who just loves my country, and I think you are very much the same with me.” [Fox News, 2/6/2009]

– “I want you to understand clearly, I am not a journalist — be very clear on that. I am an opinion-maker.” [Fox News, 3/23/2009]

– “You know, honestly — look, I’m not a journalist. This is the first, you know, tragedy that I have covered on the air.” [Fox News, 4/3/2009]

– “I come to the table from a conservative or libertarian point of view, and I admit that. I’m a commentator. I’m not a journalist or anything else.” [Fox News, 6/2/2009]

– “I want you to know, I’m not a journalist. I am a conservative. I am much more of a libertarian.” [Fox News, 8/6/2009]

– “I think there should have been a follow-up question, George. I’m not a journalist, you are.” [Fox News, 9/21/2009]

– “I mean, you know — I say on this program all the time, I’m not a journalist.” [Fox News, 9/30/2009]

– “Even in the news division of FOX — which I want to make very clear and I have from the very beginning — I am not a journalist. In fact, I wear that as a badge of honor.” [Fox News, 10/15/2009]

– “And I remind you, I am not a journalist. I’m just a dad.” [Fox News, 12/10/2009]

– “This administration, they respond to FOX News by saying we’re not even a news organization. And opinion shows like mine — understand, I’m not a journalist and I wear it as a badge of honor, I’m an opinion guy.” [Fox News, 4/5/2010]

In fact I believe Mellie many times has said Beck says he isn't a journalist and I know she listens to him and I think watches his show as well.
 
What? I exceeded that requirement... There are like 25 clear cut examples I provided above... If you just don't want to read them, that is your problem, not mine.

No.. you posted URLs and imply in so doing that those URLs; OKA: Links... substantiate your assertion. Rest assured that neither the "Links", nor your implied assurance, sustains your assertion.

Understand... the argument here is that there are NO reports which factually establish that Beck has intentionally passed along false information as fact. That there exist a litany of pedantic leftist squealing, braying on about some semantic twaddle agonizing over some meaningless drivel does NOT a Beck deceit make.

Ain't debate fun?

But never MORE so, than when those engaging in it... ACTUALLY DEBATE; resisting the urge to wallow in the sort of invalid reasoning such as that in which you've chosen to pause.

Now if you want to settle on the assertion that a gaggle of Leftist cranks sit around on the web churning over out of context 'reports' on some inanity... then fine. I'll happily stipulate to that...

Let me know what ya decide.
 
You're right, soccer. He says he's not a journalist all the time. Who is saying he thinks he is?
 
Glenn Beck's views on him being a journalist.



In fact I believe Mellie many times has said Beck says he isn't a journalist and I know she listens to him and I think watches his show as well.

Who was it that's taken the position that Beck has claimed to be a Journalist?

Anyone?

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Anyone at all?
 
Sorry must have misunderstood what you were saying. Damn alcohol.
 
No.. you posted URLs and imply in so doing that those URLs; OKA: Links... substantiate your assertion. Rest assured that neither the "Links", nor your implied assurance, sustains your assertion.

So, without reading them, you have concluded that they could not be accurate... Yep, sounds like a Beck fan's reasoning to me...
 
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I just watched the first class.

Faith was the subject. I already knew most of it, but it was a nice refresher. He (David Barton) discussed the early preachers who influenced our Founders' beliefs including Rev. John Wise and Rev. George Whitfield among others. He mentioned how some sermons at that time were political. This rubbed me the wrong way, honestly. I'm fine with preachers discussing how we're all equal and free, but I don't like it when preachers talk about certain policies and how they should be passed, etc. I don't think my preacher should be preaching that the AZ law is good or bad, for example. It's not the job of a preacher to influence his congregation how to vote in political elections. It IS the job of a preacher to influence his congregation what to do about their spiritual life. Then allow the members to determine themselves what policies follow the will of God.

He spoke of how it wasn't just Paul Revere, but also Wentworth Cheswell (a black patriot) also warned the colonies of the British coming. Not sure what they had to do with faith...I kinda tuned out after that. I'm busy making sun tea and trying not to fall asleep.

Overall I give the class a C. I knew most of it so it was kinda boring, but it was interesting the first time I heard it. And David Barton talks way too fast.

Time for tea and maybe a nap. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Why waste valuable learning time with an asshole like Beck when you could have gone to Library of Congress Home ?
 
So, without reading them, you have concluded that they could not be accurate... Yep, sounds like a Beck fan's reasoning to me...

It's not the function of the opposition to wade through your links and determine what of the information contained therein, is relevant to the substantiation of your argument...

At least not where the argument rests in a logically valid, intellectually sound foundation.

Which is the only sort of foundation on which I'm interested in standing... so either comport yourself accordingly, or concede that you've no means to sustain your assertion, by failing to do so.

Either way works for me...
 
so either comport yourself accordingly, or concede that you've no means to sustain your assertion, by failing to do so.

How about we compromise. I'll concede that you are too lazy to read the links documenting the point you requested documentation of.
 
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I just watched the first class.

Faith was the subject. I already knew most of it, but it was a nice refresher. He (David Barton) discussed the early preachers who influenced our Founders' beliefs including Rev. John Wise and Rev. George Whitfield among others. He mentioned how some sermons at that time were political. This rubbed me the wrong way, honestly. I'm fine with preachers discussing how we're all equal and free, but I don't like it when preachers talk about certain policies and how they should be passed, etc. I don't think my preacher should be preaching that the AZ law is good or bad, for example. It's not the job of a preacher to influence his congregation how to vote in political elections. It IS the job of a preacher to influence his congregation what to do about their spiritual life. Then allow the members to determine themselves what policies follow the will of God.


Interesting...

So, you're OK with a preacher discussing principle... but you're wholly uncomfortable with the preacher discussing the practical application of principle....

Why is that? Too judgemental?


He spoke of how it wasn't just Paul Revere, but also Wentworth Cheswell (a black patriot) also warned the colonies of the British coming. Not sure what they had to do with faith...I kinda tuned out after that. I'm busy making sun tea and trying not to fall asleep.

Perhaps it had to do with the principle faith that 'all men are created equal...' and the history of Cheswell demonstrates in conclusive terms that there were free black men participating in the founding of America.

Overall I give the class a C. I knew most of it so it was kinda boring, but it was interesting the first time I heard it. And David Barton talks way too fast.

Time for tea and maybe a nap. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Interesting... Ya say ya 'knew most of it'... yet ya aren't comfortable with the certain, self evident truth which provides that sound principle remains sound throughout the human process, which necessarily includes the Pulpit.

How do ya square this glaring inconsistency?
 
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