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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    In my best leftie lisp....'Why, because he's black!'
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    What steele said was wrong.

    Get your partisan hackery the **** outta here.

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    To be fair, you can read Steele's comments a couple of different ways. I don't think he is saying that Obama started the war, but by continuing the same policy as the previous administration it is a choice to continue going to war with Afghanistan. The other comments about Afghanistan being an untenable location for victory are applicable to any administration going to war with that region.

    I mean, Obama supporters think that the war policy has changed. It hasn't. It has basically been a continuation of Bush era policy. The difference is that Obama fed us the notion that we would be starting a gradual withdrawal by now, when actually it's the opposite. More troops and dollars are being committed.

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Moon is not a leftie...

    What steele said was wrong.

    Get your partisan hackery the **** outta here.

    make me muther ****er

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

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    Micheal Steele rewrites very recent historyEveryone needs to calm down, cease the flaming, and get back on topic

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i recall the hubris from the reich wing when Obama took time to evaluate and qualify the mccrystal strategy to ramp up the number of troops deployed to afghanistan
    they were livid at the time that Obama did not immediately implement mccrystal's expansion proposal
    now, we have a classic catch 22
    if we withdraw our troops, then Obama is painted by the reich wing as a president unwilling to defend the citizens of the USA from terrorist aggression
    if we continue dubya bin lyin's war in the middle east, then they try to re-write history to make the loss of our youth and treasure due to Obama rather than it being one of the many messes he inherited from a dysfunctional republican regime
    The Iraq war started by lil Bush for whatever reason was and is completely pointless, it did not rid Iraq of a corrupt administration because any administration that runs Iraq is going to be as corrupt as was Saddam Hussein's regime.
    However the war in Afghanistan is more believable in so far as it was Al Quaeda who at that time were being sheltered by the Taliban in Afghanistan, who were responsible for the atrocities of 911.

    What is perhaps being totally ignored is who initially armed Al Quaeda.
    So just to get this particular record straight, it was largely through the actions of one Charlie Wilson, who seeing a chance to inflict a defeat on Soviet forces, pursuaded Congress to deliver the cash and armaments to allow Al Quaeda to be more effective against the Soviets.
    Which in fact they turned out to be remarkably effective in compelling Soviet Russia to remove their forces from Afghanistan.
    This does not detract from the fact that Afghanistan has never been defeated and held as a conquered nation by any other nation.
    It may well be defeatist of me but IMO I doubt it can be militarily defeated.
    Afghanistan is run albeit by a central government that absolutely has to have agreement from the Clans/Tribes that live in the Country, without their direct agreement, nothing works.

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    To be fair, you can read Steele's comments a couple of different ways. I don't think he is saying that Obama started the war, but by continuing the same policy as the previous administration it is a choice to continue going to war with Afghanistan. The other comments about Afghanistan being an untenable location for victory are applicable to any administration going to war with that region.

    I mean, Obama supporters think that the war policy has changed. It hasn't. It has basically been a continuation of Bush era policy. The difference is that Obama fed us the notion that we would be starting a gradual withdrawal by now, when actually it's the opposite. More troops and dollars are being committed.
    No he did not. He has always maintained that he would focus on Afghanistan.
    Obama: Afghanistan, not Iraq, should be focus - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just normal American right wing policy to rewrite history in their own image
    Well, no, not exactly.

    Steele is correct; Obama did choose this war, as it is. He oversaw the decisions as to the strategy and the ROE's. It's his baby, now. That kind of responsibility come with the burden of command, since he is the commander in chief.
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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    I also do not like that the war was something that the United States did not want to engage, when in fact, we truly did and to a large degree (though declining), still do.

    No matter how you put it, he will upset a large segment of the GOP as well as give Democrats more talking points.
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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Moon is not a leftie...

    What steele said was wrong.

    Get your partisan hackery the **** outta here.
    My comment that Steele needs to go had nothing to do with his most recent comments. I think he's been a horrible RNC chairman.
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    Re: Micheal Steele rewrites very recent history

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    My comment that Steele needs to go had nothing to do with his most recent comments. I think he's been a horrible RNC chairman.
    I agree, and my earlier *off color* comment was a joke designed to poke fun at our race baiting leftie friends.

    I'm terribly sorry one of them took it so personal.

    Must have struck a nerve.
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