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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Funny you should mention Trent Reznor, "So I'd be surprised if he could legally authorize fans to "steal it," as he instructed attendees at a recent concert in Sydney, Australia."

    "Reznor's eagerness to share the record with fans hasn't been confined to Australia, however. To promote the album, he leaked three tracks as MP3s, fully intending them to be passed around online. At the time he said the freebies were an attempt to boost sales, not crater them. Although his comments in Australia go further, they are in line with his previous remarks about the labels' greed and separation from music fans."

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    I am perfectly comfortable taking what I want because, the industry is using government to prop itself and it's prices up, they have to go outside of normal market conditions to earn a buck.
    No thanks, enticing government to use force for your benefit is not cool at any level.

    Not only that but it is said that many of the movie makers intentionally release early copies to judge movie sale projections, if they are doing that they have gave up control of ownership.

    The civil settlements used against uploaders have been ridiculous.
    Charging people thousands of dollars for uploading a handful of songs, that aren't worth it on a per song level.

    Lastly, trying to get government to require even more DRM in our consumer electronics, I don't want to lose control over things I pay money for, they are supposed to be mine.

    It's retaliation against their moronic and abusive behavior.
    I mentioned all 4 of those people/groups (Rasputina's a group) - because they have outwardly expressed views against the profoundly fat and corrupt industry. . .yet I still won't rob those individuals of my pennies even if it doesn't really bother them when people do it.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I mentioned all 4 of those people/groups (Rasputina's a group) - because they have outwardly expressed views against the profoundly fat and corrupt industry. . .yet I still won't rob those individuals of my pennies even if it doesn't really bother them when people do it.
    I understand but I have no moral qualms about it being robbery because, under fair market conditions, they wouldn't be able to charge what they are now.

    As long as a company is willing to abuse their customer base through government, they don't earn a dime from me, unless I feel they deserve it.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's unfortunate, I guess in order to make it more perfect I'm willing to take some short term losses.
    Writers should wait till someone wants to buy it before they decide to hand it over.
    Just my opinion though.

    I was thinking more in line with books, there are some decent books written that could be improved upon and sold but because of IP laws, you'd have to cut a check to the original author or get permission to use more than a little of his/her work.

    I think once you add significant value to something, the new something should be yours to sell.
    The same goes for software, which was incorrectly categorized in the first place.

    Books are the most often copied thing out there in some form. How many fantasy books have been "inspired" by the LOTR. With much of the plot, character development pretty much a duplicate of the LOTR. Make enough changes to the story, the names and you have improved the book enough for it to be called yours
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Books are the most often copied thing out there in some form. How many fantasy books have been "inspired" by the LOTR. With much of the plot, character development pretty much a duplicate of the LOTR. Make enough changes to the story, the names and you have improved the book enough for it to be called yours
    That is true but things like spin offs or scientific ideas can be difficult to utilize.
    The constant extensions made by congress has been to much.

    Things that would have already fallen out of IP protection have been rehoused back under it again.
    I don't like how the industry and government have been working so close together.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand but I have no moral qualms about it being robbery...
    I do, since labeling it robberyy does nothing but confuse the issues going on. AS judge Noonan in the Grokster trial stated, we are dealing with something very new, not just in the eyes of the law, but how we as society handle it, something where one can gain with the other not losing that which they already had, which creates conundrums thatr can't be solved by slapping a lable on it carelessly without examining WHAT is going on.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    I do, since labeling it robberyy does nothing but confuse the issues going on. AS judge Noonan in the Grokster trial stated, we are dealing with something very new, not just in the eyes of the law, but how we as society handle it, something where one can gain with the other not losing that which they already had, which creates conundrums thatr can't be solved by slapping a lable on it carelessly without examining WHAT is going on.
    I certainly understand that but for the people who believe it as a moral wrong, I try to explain myself as best as possible.

    You're right though, it isn't robbery.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    What I want to know is if it's illegal to copy music, why is it legal for another artist to record someone else's song? This has happened lots of times before. I was told (whether it's true or not I don't know) that you can't copyright words and notes. Anyone can sing or produce anything at any time.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I certainly understand that but for the people who believe it as a moral wrong, I try to explain myself as best as possible.

    You're right though, it isn't robbery.
    Well - then make it right. Calculate what you feel the artist truly deserves . . . and cut them a check to cover your theft.

    Surely you don't feel that artists and actors are purely there to entertain and embrace the whole starving artist personae?

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    I find it interesting to watch how people justify taking what they have no right to take. "I don't want to pay for music, so...the laws are stupid."
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    What I want to know is if it's illegal to copy music, why is it legal for another artist to record someone else's song? This has happened lots of times before. I was told (whether it's true or not I don't know) that you can't copyright words and notes. Anyone can sing or produce anything at any time.
    This explains the entire brouhaha very well.
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