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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gay marriage and stealing are not quite the same thing. Nice try though.
    Gay marriage and piracy aren't comparable, but piracy and stealing equals a valid comparison, right.

    As for your previous comment, I chuckle. The law meant something, but that meaning is continually lost as the years go on, as corporations control it for their own narrow purposes - A copyright can last > 135 years EASILY, congress can take works that are already in the public domain out, and the laws concerning fair use are becoming so muddy we don't know what is what. I say before we praise the laws, we should FIX them first.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Who said anything about stealing?

    You said, "Darn people thinking laws mean something."
    I sounds like you're more interested in following laws, whether or not, they make sense to follow.

    No I don't necessarily support bootlegging, unless the person doing it adds value to it.
    Stealing(which is what piracy is in it's way) is not like gay marriage. For the record though, if some one defrauds the government into giving them a gay marriage in a state where it is not allowed, then yes, they deserve to be prosecuted. Laws are the glue that holds society together. Just because I don't like them is not an excuse to ignore them.

    Since we both(sorta) agree on bootlegging, let me ask a couple more questions. If I take a splitter and hook myself up to my neighbors cable and get cable for free(yes, I know this no longer works, but it used to), is that wrong? If a website copy/pastes full articles from other sites without permission and posts them on their website, is that wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not a huge opponent of IP law, but this type of statement just doesn't make any sense. There's a pretty obvious distinction between the duplication of IP and the physical deprivation of a tangible object.
    Is not the tangible product the song itself. Which is generally copywrited

    It is the song itself that the artist created, and uses to make money

    GM produces a car and makes multiple copies of it to make money, it is illegal for Ford to copy the design of a GM car and produce it. GM lost no tangible object but what Ford did is illegal and it would be punished for it

    As such making copies of a song, and giving it out to other people is infringing on the artists rights to that song.

    In my opinion

    Making copies for personal use is fine, making copies to distribute to potentially thousands of other people is in effect theft
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Stealing(which is what piracy is in it's way) is not like gay marriage. For the record though, if some one defrauds the government into giving them a gay marriage in a state where it is not allowed, then yes, they deserve to be prosecuted. Laws are the glue that holds society together. Just because I don't like them is not an excuse to ignore them.
    Except these laws do not serve as a glue that binds people together.

    They exist to allow monetary gain far outside reasonable bounds, unless you believe that dead people should be legally allowed to own things or allow corporations to own ideas for 90 years.

    Ideas, once released, can not be controlled it's insanity to believe otherwise.

    You cannot steal something that is not physical and can be replicated infinitely, at almost 0 cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since we both(sorta) agree on bootlegging, let me ask a couple more questions. If I take a splitter and hook myself up to my neighbors cable and get cable for free(yes, I know this no longer works, but it used to), is that wrong? If a website copy/pastes full articles from other sites without permission and posts them on their website, is that wrong?
    Depends, you do subsidize the cable companies by helping provide the infrastructure that they transmit their product through.
    I think it would be fair that they are require to offer everyone a basic set of channels.

    I don't see it as wrong, as long as the law stays unreasonable, as it is now.
    If the laws change, I may change my mind but until then I have no sympathy towards IP owners.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Except these laws do not serve as a glue that binds people together.

    They exist to allow monetary gain far outside reasonable bounds, unless you believe that dead people should be legally allowed to own things or allow corporations to own ideas for 90 years.

    Ideas, once released, can not be controlled it's insanity to believe otherwise.

    You cannot steal something that is not physical and can be replicated infinitely, at almost 0 cost.



    Depends, you do subsidize the cable companies by helping provide the infrastructure that they transmit their product through.
    I think it would be fair that they are require to offer everyone a basic set of channels.

    I don't see it as wrong, as long as the law stays unreasonable, as it is now.
    If the laws change, I may change my mind but until then I have no sympathy towards IP owners.
    I agree that copywrites extend far too long I would suggest that the lifetime of the creator/s or 25 years which ever is longest would be fair
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Is not the tangible product the song itself. Which is generally copywrited

    It is the song itself that the artist created, and uses to make money

    GM produces a car and makes multiple copies of it to make money, it is illegal for Ford to copy the design of a GM car and produce it. GM lost no tangible object but what Ford did is illegal and it would be punished for it

    As such making copies of a song, and giving it out to other people is infringing on the artists rights to that song.

    In my opinion

    Making copies for personal use is fine, making copies to distribute to potentially thousands of other people is in effect theft
    It's absolutely theft of a sort, but it's theft of intellectual property, not tangible property, and is thus treated differently under the law. Again, I think that IP laws are absolutely fundamental to any sort of creative society, but that doesn't mean that they're perfect as drafted.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I agree that copywrites extend far too long I would suggest that the lifetime of the creator/s or 25 years which ever is longest would be fair
    Personally, 5-15 years should be the maximum.
    It allows the owner to profit and allows other people to improve upon it.

    Life time seems way to much as we don't do the same thing with patents.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Personally, 5-15 years should be the maximum.
    It allows the owner to profit and allows other people to improve upon it.

    Life time seems way to much as we don't do the same thing with patents.
    Patents can prevent the making of similar products, when the TV was patented without lisencing no other manufactures could legally make a TV. Copywrite prevents the duplication or copying of aa song or its component parts. It does not prevent the creation of similar songs. If you like Rap, but dont want to support a specific artist you can buy a different artists music, you cant to the same with patented products. Also in some cases it might take more then 5 years for something created to go "commercial". A screenplay might languish in the depths of MGM for 5 years, then get produced, the writer ends up getting nothing as the copywrite has expired
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Patents can prevent the making of similar products, when the TV was patented without lisencing no other manufactures could legally make a TV. Copywrite prevents the duplication or copying of aa song or its component parts. It does not prevent the creation of similar songs. If you like Rap, but dont want to support a specific artist you can buy a different artists music, you cant to the same with patented products. Also in some cases it might take more then 5 years for something created to go "commercial". A screenplay might languish in the depths of MGM for 5 years, then get produced, the writer ends up getting nothing as the copywrite has expired
    That's unfortunate, I guess in order to make it more perfect I'm willing to take some short term losses.
    Writers should wait till someone wants to buy it before they decide to hand it over.
    Just my opinion though.

    I was thinking more in line with books, there are some decent books written that could be improved upon and sold but because of IP laws, you'd have to cut a check to the original author or get permission to use more than a little of his/her work.

    I think once you add significant value to something, the new something should be yours to sell.
    The same goes for software, which was incorrectly categorized in the first place.
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