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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I mean, what kind of fascist crap is that? If I buy a CD, I am going to use it in any device I have, and that should be my right as a consumer. With this law, you don't own the CD, you are renting it, and rental comes with rules. That is what DMR essentially is becoming in the modern world.

    The funny thing is, these kinds of draconian laws will just push more people to download illegally.
    This is also a very good point. Why would someone pay $.99 cents for a ridiculously DRM'd song when they could get an unencumbered version for free? If you buy a movie on DVD, there are usually 10 minutes of unskippable ****tastic previews that you have to sit through. If you torrent it, you can just cut right to the movie in VLC media player. I take DVDs that I own and rip them for myself just to avoid that bull****.

    When the "finished product" that the studios are offering is actually less valuable than the product available elsewhere, you're going to see people who would normally be glad to buy the product legitimately turn to the black market instead.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You do know you never owned the music that you purchased, right? It's merely a license to listen on the format provided. I prefer "fair use" rights that provide more for me, but we only own the physical copy that we originally purchase.
    This is sort of the point - what if you wanted to "own" the music in question so that you could listen to it in whatever format you wanted? What would you recommend doing?
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    I am taking the lazy way out to reply to this thread (and to reinforce the point initially made by RightinNYC) since I had already written on the subject in these forums and it is directly on topic, if not a tad dated:

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I had been playing a "pirated" copy of Dragon Age - Origins all weekend. I went out and bought it yesterday (despite EA being the middleman as publisher, Bioware deserves my money and encouragement to continue to put out great games such as this).

    I have no qualms about "test driving" games, there are many I play a few hours and never return to, not something that would warrant a $50 or so expenditure.

    Once upon a time I used to go to blockbuster frequently to rent games to test out, and if i enjoyed the game I would then purchase it. This option is not available for PC games though, which makes no sense since many of the same games are now available on both console and PC. We have different rules for essentially the same product.

    Had I not had the opportunity to test drive games beforehand, I would have bought Cities XL at face value, and had been PISSED off at the choice. I also would not have had the money to buy Dragon Age since it would have gone towards a crappy game with underhanded marketing tactics instead of going in support of a game developer that has yet again put out a product very deserving of my money, and my support.

    I also have quite a few games that I have purchased that had I not been exposed to them via illegitimate sources, I would have never thought to purchase in the first place. "Piracy" in these instances has resulted in free marketing of their product, and generated sales that would have not occurred otherwise.

    Anyhow, time to go play Dragon Age, despite the only reason that I cracked the seal on the box was to take a peek at the game manual, and the DVD's with the data on them will remain untouched
    I recently tested Toy Story 3, and although I did not play it for more than an hour or so, I recommended it to a friend who bought a copy for his son, and I also found a WWII strategy game (that I would have NEVER been exposed to had it not been posted online), that although still buggy I am seriously considering purchase if they rectify the problems - problems that would generate animosity and horrible word of mouth towards their product if I had purchased the game and then encountered them, instead now I sit back to see if they patch the game and overcome the problems, and if so they earn $50 of my cash for the game and they are spared the bad word of mouth and may actually net a second sale when I recruit a buddy of mine who also likes games in the genre to buy it as well so we can play head to head.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is also a very good point. Why would someone pay $.99 cents for a ridiculously DRM'd song when they could get an unencumbered version for free? If you buy a movie on DVD, there are usually 10 minutes of unskippable ****tastic previews that you have to sit through. If you torrent it, you can just cut right to the movie in VLC media player. I take DVDs that I own and rip them for myself just to avoid that bull****.

    When the "finished product" that the studios are offering is actually less valuable than the product available elsewhere, you're going to see people who would normally be glad to buy the product legitimately turn to the black market instead.
    It's the current corporate-consumer climate that we live in. They are trying to make modern digital content, which is essentially unlimited in its distributive nature, move backwards into forms of media like tape decks and records that didn't have the same fluid function. Why is our society letting these people hold us back? The digital era is here and the way humans interact with media and information has changed immensely. They need to adapt or get out.

    But instead, we are being forced to conform to their old-world thinking, pay for it, and then have to suffer through their marketing anyway. It's such an audacious slap in the face.

    As long as DMR laws continue to be shoved down our throats, I will continue to pirate until the end of my days as protest. Screw their "ownership".

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    What are the economics behind the music industry?
    I understand producers not being happy if their products are copied and sold. But are we being fleeced for our music? How much do artists make and how much goes directly to costs out of the income?

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What are the economics behind the music industry?
    I understand producers not being happy if their products are copied and sold. But are we being fleeced for our music? How much do artists make and how much goes directly to costs out of the income?
    The Problem With Music

    In that article, a record producer discloses information regarding the cost of production and the money earned by the actual band members.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The laws that the corporate powers are pushing go above and beyond simple ownership rights. Right now in Canada, the anti-piracy law being discussed in parliament - which, by the way, most Canadians oppose but the ruling party is ignoring us and listening to corporations instead - makes it illegal to jail break devices or rip from one format to another.

    In other words, if I buy a music CD, it would be a punishable offense to rip that music for use in my ipod, even though I acquired the CD legally. They would instead want me to buy yet another version, the mp3 version, from an online store.

    I mean, what kind of fascist crap is that? If I buy a CD, I am going to use it in any device I have, and that should be my right as a consumer. With this law, you don't own the CD, you are renting it, and rental comes with rules. That is what DMR essentially is becoming in the modern world.

    The funny thing is, these kinds of draconian laws will just push more people to download illegally. Why would I go out and buy a CD if I can't own it or use it how I want like I would any of my own property? I mean, as long as I'm not sending copies to my friends, why should my activities be illegal? This has HUGE implications for how schools use content, other artists (like DJs), etc.

    The level of corporate control is just too much right now. It needs to be shut down with proper democratic controls that favor MODERATE and reasonable consumer laws.

    But no... instead we are deferring to crime and punishment, as usual. Create more crimes, and create more punishments. Make the jails bigger. Take away freedoms from more people for things that shouldn't be crimes in the first place.
    Ok - now *this* I agree with you on.
    If you *buy* a cd/movie you should be able to make a legal-backup or put it on your ipod

    I tend to buy mp3's through napster because I often don't like whole 'albums' and then I put them wherever. . . within my legal right.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Not even the Obama Administration can save the failing music and film industry. People don't feel guilty downloading this stuff for free because it's swill. It's all mediocre crap. This should inspire the music and film industry to put out stuff that is actually worthy of paying for.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    I still don't understand how having a problem with the way the industry functions translates into it being "ok" for someone to just take what they want without paying for it.

    The problem *I* have with the industries is that they screw the artists out of *their* money. . . I have no problem support artists that I favor like Peter Steele (RIP), Trent Reznor, Rasputina and Henry Rollins - If I want their *items* I buy it from as close to source as possible if it's beyond my downloads.

    I'd rather pay money to own something in hopes that their earned and entitled meager cut gets to *them* - as they are due - rather than rob them of my that they will ultimately get in order to screw over their production company.

    Not all artists deal with devils in the industry - does anyone care when it comes to that? Do you support Independent artists who avoid the industry brouhaha purely on principle? Do you go out of your way to directly contribute to all venues that aren't fleecing or skimming off the top in effort to stand up against the industry itself?

    Just because you feel *they're* screwing you doesn't mean that the artist you *do* like should be screwed *by* you in your process of throwing a entertainment hissy fit.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is also a very good point. Why would someone pay $.99 cents for a ridiculously DRM'd song when they could get an unencumbered version for free? If you buy a movie on DVD, there are usually 10 minutes of unskippable ****tastic previews that you have to sit through. If you torrent it, you can just cut right to the movie in VLC media player. I take DVDs that I own and rip them for myself just to avoid that bull****.

    When the "finished product" that the studios are offering is actually less valuable than the product available elsewhere, you're going to see people who would normally be glad to buy the product legitimately turn to the black market instead.
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