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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wouldn't you like the option of "try before you buy," most file sharers fall somewhere with in this category.
    Unfortunately, the music and movie industry have helped congress design things so that the consumer is left holding the bag.
    While they have also tricked people into believing that copying stuff, is the equivalent to stealing.
    Try before you buy? How is that suppose to be applied to this issue? "Try" when applied to testing something before purchase hints at *not* keeping it forever free of charge. You can't "try" a car out around the track before you buy it - and just keep it forever - you either try it and buy it or don't buy it, but it's not yours just because you *want* it. The follow up to "try" is "purchase" or "don't purchase."

    So - previews, listening to it on the radio or pandora and renting something from netflix is a "try"
    And if you want to posses it forever - you "buy" it . . . just like everything else in the world that's a product or service which you purchase.

    That being said - I have napster. I pay a few times a year ($15.00) and I can listen to all the music I want - and if I want to make a portable copy *then* I can use my earned credits - no extra money off the top - which is 15 credits per cycle . . . and if I want to exceed those credits I have to pay per song.

    You can't convince me that somehow owning music or movies is a right - and so it's your right to take it just because you don't want to spend a little bit of money on it or you don't feel that artists who are sharing their talent and gift with you don't deserve their fair cut.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Try before you buy? How is that suppose to be applied to this issue? "Try" when applied to testing something before purchase hints at *not* keeping it forever free of charge. You can't "try" a car out around the track before you buy it - and just keep it forever - you either try it and buy it or don't buy it, but it's not yours just because you *want* it. The follow up to "try" is "purchase" or "don't purchase."

    So - previews, listening to it on the radio or pandora and renting something from netflix is a "try"
    And if you want to posses it forever - you "buy" it . . . just like everything else in the world that's a product or service which you purchase.

    That being said - I have napster. I pay a few times a year ($15.00) and I can listen to all the music I want - and if I want to make a portable copy *then* I can use my earned credits - no extra money off the top - which is 15 credits per cycle . . . and if I want to exceed those credits I have to pay per song.

    You can't convince me that somehow owning music or movies is a right - and so it's your right to take it just because you don't want to spend a little bit of money on it or you don't feel that artists who are sharing their talent and gift with you don't deserve their fair cut.
    When I watch movies, I'll watch the whole thing for free, then decide whether or not I want to buy it.
    Usually, I don't keep the dl'd version nor do I buy it because it's worthless, as most movies have turned out to be in the last few years.
    It has saved me money because renting or buying it before I know if it's any good is a crap shoot.

    I can't get a refund on a bad movie rental.

    Movie reviewers don't hold my standards of good and bad.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You can't convince me that somehow owning music or movies is a right - and so it's your right to take it just because you don't want to spend a little bit of money on it or you don't feel that artists who are sharing their talent and gift with you don't deserve their fair cut.
    The laws that the corporate powers are pushing go above and beyond simple ownership rights. Right now in Canada, the anti-piracy law being discussed in parliament - which, by the way, most Canadians oppose but the ruling party is ignoring us and listening to corporations instead - makes it illegal to jail break devices or rip from one format to another.

    In other words, if I buy a music CD, it would be a punishable offense to rip that music for use in my ipod, even though I acquired the CD legally. They would instead want me to buy yet another version, the mp3 version, from an online store.

    I mean, what kind of fascist crap is that? If I buy a CD, I am going to use it in any device I have, and that should be my right as a consumer. With this law, you don't own the CD, you are renting it, and rental comes with rules. That is what DMR essentially is becoming in the modern world.

    The funny thing is, these kinds of draconian laws will just push more people to download illegally. Why would I go out and buy a CD if I can't own it or use it how I want like I would any of my own property? I mean, as long as I'm not sending copies to my friends, why should my activities be illegal? This has HUGE implications for how schools use content, other artists (like DJs), etc.

    The level of corporate control is just too much right now. It needs to be shut down with proper democratic controls that favor MODERATE and reasonable consumer laws.

    But no... instead we are deferring to crime and punishment, as usual. Create more crimes, and create more punishments. Make the jails bigger. Take away freedoms from more people for things that shouldn't be crimes in the first place.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    I agree. For the most part, pirates are mostly arguing for the better position, not necessarily because they are right, but because it has become so normalized. It's disingenuous at best, usually. I would like as good audio quality as I can get (224 kbps on up sounds nice to me), which has mostly been achieved by now.

    In the end, pirates should find some good friends and grab their collections in person. There was a thing before the internet, and piracy existed decades ago.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    When I watch movies, I'll watch the whole thing for free, then decide whether or not I want to buy it.
    Usually, I don't keep the dl'd version nor do I buy it because it's worthless, as most movies have turned out to be in the last few years.
    It has saved me money because renting or buying it before I know if it's any good is a crap shoot.

    I can't get a refund on a bad movie rental.

    Movie reviewers don't hold my standards of good and bad.
    Just rent the movies or watch with friends, for pete's sake.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Try before you buy? How is that suppose to be applied to this issue? "Try" when applied to testing something before purchase hints at *not* keeping it forever free of charge. You can't "try" a car out around the track before you buy it - and just keep it forever - you either try it and buy it or don't buy it, but it's not yours just because you *want* it. The follow up to "try" is "purchase" or "don't purchase."
    Just to point out the way in which it can have that effect:

    -I watched a few episodes of the shield on an online streaming site that was something less than legal. It was sweet. I now have all 7 seasons sitting on my bookshelf.

    -My friend sent me a bootlegged copy of a girl talk CD. I've since seen him in concert 3 times and bought a couple CDs.

    -I downloaded a copy of an Ari Hest cd from a friends itunes back in 03. Since then, I've bought 3 or 4 cds, seen him live 4 or 5 times, and have a couple tshirts.

    Many artists recognize the positive impact that this type of thing has and choose to offer a version of their products for free. Radiohead made an album available for whatever you chose to pay, and many artists have followed in their footsteps. Brandon Sanderson made every draft of his new book freely downloadable on his website, leading up to the actual hardcover publication date.

    I'm not saying that every artist must follow this model or that artists don't have the right to choose not to follow this model, nor am I saying that there's no benefit to IP laws. I'm just pointing out that it's not exactly black and white.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Just rent the movies or watch with friends, for pete's sake.
    I've watched way more movies than I would actually want to pay for.
    The vast majority have not made it to "buy the dvd" status.

    Renting is throwing away potentially hundreds of dollars and in the end, I'm not satisfied.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The laws that the corporate powers are pushing go above and beyond simple ownership rights. Right now in Canada, the anti-piracy law being discussed in parliament - which, by the way, most Canadians oppose but the ruling party is ignoring us and listening to corporations instead - makes it illegal to jail break devices or rip from one format to another.

    In other words, if I buy a music CD, it would be a punishable offense to rip that music for use in my ipod, even though I acquired the CD legally. They would instead want me to buy yet another version, the mp3 version, from an online store.

    I mean, what kind of fascist crap is that? If I buy a CD, I am going to use it in any device I have, and that should be my right as a consumer. With this law, you don't own the CD, you are renting it, and rental comes with rules. That is what DMR essentially is becoming in the modern world.

    The funny thing is, these kinds of draconian laws will just push more people to download illegally. Why would I go out and buy a CD if I can't own it or use it how I want like I would any of my own property? I mean, as long as I'm not sending copies to my friends, why should my activities be illegal? This has HUGE implications for how schools use content, other artists (like DJs), etc.

    The level of corporate control is just too much right now. It needs to be shut down with proper democratic controls that favor MODERATE and reasonable consumer laws.

    But no... instead we are deferring to crime and punishment, as usual. Create more crimes, and create more punishments. Make the jails bigger. Take away freedoms from more people for things that shouldn't be crimes in the first place.
    You do know you never owned the music that you purchased, right? It's merely a license to listen on the format provided. I prefer "fair use" rights that provide more for me, but we only own the physical copy that we originally purchase.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've watched way more movies than I would actually want to pay for.
    The vast majority have not made it to "buy the dvd" status.

    Renting is throwing away potentially hundreds of dollars and in the end, I'm not satisfied.
    Then don't rent movies. And limit your intake. I am nowhere near sympathetic with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Then don't rent movies. And limit your intake. I am nowhere near sympathetic with you.
    Why? I may want to buy it.
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