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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

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    Of course, they have all kinds of justifications: they're just "sharing," the labels and studios are assholes, the original artists don't make much off of recorded media, it's so easy to copy, etc., etc. It's self-serving bull**** which make these people hypocrites on top of everything else.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
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    Of course, they have all kinds of justifications: they're just "sharing," the labels and studios are assholes, the original artists don't make much off of recorded media, it's so easy to copy, etc., etc. It's self-serving bull**** which make these people hypocrites on top of everything else.
    No, you're just ignorant of the topic and it shows but that is common with you.

    You can't compare copying a song with stealing a car.
    They are not even remotely the same thing, it isn't considered stealing by law.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Here I'll spell it out for you.

    If you owned something and someone just took it from you, you would be angry about it; you might even call the police about it.
    Indeed, because you took it, I no longer have it.

    Face it, the analogy you're going for sucks, it has been discredited countless times.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Those people are thieves.
    Libel only makes you look like a pompus, ignorant nutjob you know.

    If no theivery occurred, then a thief he is not.

    Uness you are calling Judge Noonan from the Grokster trial a liar:
    Let me say what your problem is. You can use these harsh terms, but you are dealing with something new. And the question is, Does the statutory monopoly that Congress has given you reach out to that somthing new? And that's a very debatable question. You don't solve it by calling it theft. You have to show why this court should extend a statutory monopoly to cover the new thing. That's your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Of course, they have all kinds of justifications: they're just "sharing," the labels and studios are assholes, the original artists don't make much off of recorded media, etc., etc. It's self-serving bull**** which make these people hypocrites on top of everything else.
    And you aren't a hypocrite, claiming intellectual superiority and simultaneously painting all the opponents to the RIAA with this ignorant stereotype?
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Artist to music hacker, "I took your car the other day and you called the police to report it stolen. I couldn't believe it. What a hypocrite you are!"
    I'm not a huge opponent of IP law, but this type of statement just doesn't make any sense. There's a pretty obvious distinction between the duplication of IP and the physical deprivation of a tangible object.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    It's called copyright infringement and it is against the law. The Grokster case had to do with whether they could be held liable for copyright infringement crimes committed using their service. Ultimately they were shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not a huge opponent of IP law, but this type of statement just doesn't make any sense. There's a pretty obvious distinction between the duplication of IP and the physical deprivation of a tangible object.
    Point taken.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It's called copyright infringement and it is against the law. .
    Uh, no **** sherlock - well, actually, copyright infringement is a civil tort, and only becomes criminal after a certain level of piracy - especially for profit - has occurred, I was addressing you labeling it as analogous with theft, and your disingenuous calling of alleged infringers [and just those who opposed the RIAA] theives.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It's called copyright infringement and it is against the law. The Grokster case had to do with whether they could be held liable for copyright infringement crimes committed using their service. Ultimately they were shutdown.
    Gay marriage isn't legal, are you ok with that?

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Congratulations for not getting your quotation of an article trimmed down to two sentences and having avoided your thread of having big red scary letters written all over it, making it an invitation of discussion that my thread lacked. (The following was not meant to be an attack on the administration of debatepolitics.com, it is meant to help illustrate the silliness that occurs thanks to state approved intellectual property aggression)

    Intellectual property laws are state licensed monopolization of an intangible product that dictates what you can and cannot do with property you supposedly you own. Intellectual property laws also establish agreements by two parties that effect multiple 3rd parties if the second person broke the contract by unauthorized sharing of the information. It is for these reasons why I do not support intellectual property laws that go beyond a method of protection against fraud.

    Many times I have heard arguments against information "piracy" about how it costs information companies a great deal of profit and also contributes to job loss.

    I remember when debatepolitics collected ad revenue rather than being coerced into begging for donations. That's my assumption anyways.. If my assumption is true, how much profit and jobs did intellectual property aggression cost debatepolitics.com and it's previous advertisers? Is it also possible that because of the measures debatepolitics.com is coerced into taking to prevent infringement on intellectual property aggression, that many news and opinion businesses have lost exposure, lost relevancy and lost revenue that used to be generated by debatepolitics.com users? I'd say yes since I'm sure users have found posting new threads has become too inconvenient for them.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Uh, no **** sherlock - well, actually, copyright infringement is a civil tort, and only becomes criminal after a certain level of piracy - especially for profit - has occurred, I was addressing you labeling it as analogous with theft, and your disingenuous calling of alleged infringers [and just those who opposed the RIAA] theives.
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    No Sherlock here, but, I take the point that it is an act of "unauthorized copying" not thievery or piracy. It is wrong.
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