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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So, it is photographers equipment.
    They get paid for that.

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    No kidding, and it is crappy job to do as well.
    No one twisting their arms to do it.

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    W/O copyright people will not being doing the gig
    Where, oh where, will we find a person with a camera and set of crappy backgrounds with neon lasers flying around.....
    A rare breed I'm sure.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think you should question your own moral reasoning which allows you to negate centuries old copyright law.

    You may think your victims are the movie houses, the music labels, the video game producers, but the real victims are your law abiding neighbors either through higher prices or greater inconveniences.

    Thanks, Harry Guerrilla.
    DMCA is not centuries old, neither is the other laws extending copyright past reasonable bounds.

    Originally, copyright was for "fourteen years from the time of recording the title thereof", with a right of renewal for another fourteen years if the author survived to the end of the first term."

    Copyright Act of 1790 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now it is, the life of the author plus 50 years, essentially allowing dead people to own stuff.
    Pretty irrational stuff.

    Corporations are allowed to retain copyright for 90 years.

    **** has gotten out of hand.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post


    Where, oh where, will we find a person with a camera and set of crappy backgrounds with neon lasers flying around.....
    A rare breed I'm sure.
    Believe it or not the crap sells not everyone is interested in Irving Penn, Robert Mapplethorp, or Sally Mann's sophisticated abilities in visualization.

    Gawd I hate those babies in the flower pots images. But hey it can pay the bills.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Believe it or not the crap sells not everyone is interested in Irving Penn, Robert Mapplethorp, or Sally Mann's sophisticated abilities in visualization.
    Don't get me wrong, I like the work I have seen you do and I think you should own it.
    Just not as long as the law allows.

    People like you though are the ones that get caught in the crossfire, most of my beef is with the MPAA and DRM.

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    Gawd I hate those babies in the flower pots images. But hey it can pay the bills.
    Definitely agree.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I like the work I have seen you do and I think you should own it.
    Just not as long as the law allows.

    People like you though are the ones that get caught in the crossfire, most of my beef is with the MPAA and DRM.
    And something that really ticks me off is that a corp can have copyright for 90 years. Well heck when the artist dies the value goes up, kaching for the corp. Even though the person was a starving artist at the time they sold copyright and just wanted to eat. Another thing that ticks me is work for hire. And that is how most of these school photo companies work.



    BTW thanxs for the compliment about my images.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If the food is bad enough, I'll demand a refund yes.
    But that's not what I asked. Let's try again:

    When you go to a restaurant and order something that tastes good but isn't quite as yummy as you believed it would be, do you refuse to pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How many movies have you watched on over the air tv, that you never paid for?
    It's not possible for me to watch "over the air" movies on TV without paying my satellite company, which in turn pays royalties on the films they broadcast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What about songs on the radio
    Bad analogy. I don't end up with any tangible copy of what is broadcast by just listening. But the radio station still pays royalties on the music they broadcast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    pictures by contemporary painters?
    This also doesn't follow. If I want an actual oil painting to hang on my wall, I have to go buy one. You can't download such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The fact is that in almost every aspect of the IP world you're allowed to sample the product before you buy it.
    AH! You finally found the crux of the matter. Sampling is being offered a snippet of something far larger, as an enticement. You've said that "if I like the movie I'll buy it, if not, they didn't earn my money." But there's no way to know if you "like the movie" before seeing the movie. ALL of the movie. A three-minute snippet of a film is simply not enough for any human to make a final judgment on whether or not they "like the movie."

    Sampling is fine. It's marketing. It's PR. It's smart business.

    But what you're advocating is being given the entire film to view, and then paying for that pleasure ONLY if you "liked" the whole thing. That's something entirely different. And you know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd like the option of a refund, as it is, that option is very restricted in most places.
    Huh? You'd like the option of a refund because the movie was pretty good, but not the best movie you ever saw? Maybe I need to ask the question again:

    When you go to the movies, and the film is ok, but not quite as exciting and entertaining as you believed it would be, do you demand a refund?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of the time you can't get a refund on a DVD and must settle for store credit.
    That's because YOU USED IT (and for all the store knows, you made a copy for yourself before returning it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think you should question the moral reasoning behind the movie cartel and why they resist allowing you to own you property how you want it.
    I do question the movie/music cartels. I think they're ultimately ripping off the artists just like you are. But beyond that...

    You know, I've got a great collection of these big flat pieces of plastic called record albums, that replicate live music. They're really old, and some are sort of damaged, and they can only be listened to at home, so they aren't very practical. But then, along came these nifty things called 8-track tapes - portable music! Cool! So I went to the music store and bought 8-track tapes of a lot of my favorite albums. Then someone invented cassette tapes that worked even better than 8-tracks, and out I went to buy more new copies of those old record albums. Pretty soon, another new invention - compact discs! Awesome!

    Now I've got four versions of exactly the same thing. Big deal. Life goes on. I certainly don't expect the people who created the recordings on vinyl to supply me with an 8-track and a cassette and a CD years down the line just because someone invented a new technology. They all deserve their part of the pie. Including the original artist.

    Bottom line: I still live by my principles, even when others don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They want DRM devices installed in your computer, TV, DVD players, Cellphones etc.
    I support the prevention of copyright infringement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They want you to own their product how they want it and for you to be locked into sometimes buying their same product multiple times.
    Well, this just sounds like whining to me. People who sell a product are well within their rights to build that product any way they wish. Who are you to tell them otherwise? And if you don't like the way that product was built, you're not obligated to buy it. Simple as that.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The MPAA and RIAA have both parties in their back pocket.
    They love to preserve their monopoly of the industry.

    I have no problem taking what I want, buying it at it's current price levels is a rip off.
    It is theft of someone else's intellectual property. You steal a song from the internet, the person who actually wrote that song gets no residual for that transaction.

    You can call it anything you want, but the truth is that it is theft, plain and simple. And if you are doing it, that makes you a thief.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    For the people who are arguing for the current copyright regime:

    Do you use/what are your thoughts on Tivo, adblockers, and pop-up blockers?
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    But that's not what I asked. Let's try again:

    When you go to a restaurant and order something that tastes good but isn't quite as yummy as you believed it would be, do you refuse to pay?
    There is a difference.
    With food I am getting something out of it, a physical benefit.
    With a lousy movie I get nothing.

    No I won't necessarily refuse to pay but I have the option of not consuming their product again.
    With a movie, I'm left completely empty handed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    It's not possible for me to watch "over the air" movies on TV without paying my satellite company, which in turn pays royalties on the films they broadcast.
    Antenna + TV = you can watch movies on TV for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Bad analogy. I don't end up with any tangible copy of what is broadcast by just listening. But the radio station still pays royalties on the music they broadcast.
    I'm not ending up with a tangible copy either.
    I don't keep these movies that I watch, I go out and buy the DVD if it's worth it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    This also doesn't follow. If I want an actual oil painting to hang on my wall, I have to go buy one. You can't download such a thing.
    You can look at and enjoy paintings and pictures without purchasing a copy, is that stealing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    AH! You finally found the crux of the matter. Sampling is being offered a snippet of something far larger, as an enticement. You've said that "if I like the movie I'll buy it, if not, they didn't earn my money." But there's no way to know if you "like the movie" before seeing the movie. ALL of the movie. A three-minute snippet of a film is simply not enough for any human to make a final judgment on whether or not they "like the movie."

    Sampling is fine. It's marketing. It's PR. It's smart business.

    But what you're advocating is being given the entire film to view, and then paying for that pleasure ONLY if you "liked" the whole thing. That's something entirely different. And you know it.
    Watching the whole movie is sampling, if they market their movie to only include the best parts in their marketing campaign, it's essentially false advertising.



    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Huh? You'd like the option of a refund because the movie was pretty good, but not the best movie you ever saw? Maybe I need to ask the question again:

    When you go to the movies, and the film is ok, but not quite as exciting and entertaining as you believed it would be, do you demand a refund?
    It depends on the movie but I rarely go to the theater unless it's a series/director that has proven to be good maker.
    Otherwise I watch for free before I decide to purchase the DVD.

    Getting a refund at a theater is incredibly difficult, if not in many cases not possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    That's because YOU USED IT (and for all the store knows, you made a copy for yourself before returning it).
    As long as that is the gold standard, I'll watch it for free until I decide it is worth buying.
    You see it acceptable and I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I do question the movie/music cartels. I think they're ultimately ripping off the artists just like you are. But beyond that...
    I'm not ripping anyone off.
    I wouldn't be buying the movies I watch, if I could not get them for free.
    Long before I started dl'ing movies to watch, I got tired of renting because it was a total crap shoot and wasted a lot of money.

    Instead, I now have the option to see if something is actually worth buying.
    If it is, they profit.
    If it's junk, they don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You know, I've got a great collection of these big flat pieces of plastic called record albums, that replicate live music. They're really old, and some are sort of damaged, and they can only be listened to at home, so they aren't very practical. But then, along came these nifty things called 8-track tapes - portable music! Cool! So I went to the music store and bought 8-track tapes of a lot of my favorite albums. Then someone invented cassette tapes that worked even better than 8-tracks, and out I went to buy more new copies of those old record albums. Pretty soon, another new invention - compact discs! Awesome!

    Now I've got four versions of exactly the same thing. Big deal. Life goes on. I certainly don't expect the people who created the recordings on vinyl to supply me with an 8-track and a cassette and a CD years down the line just because someone invented a new technology. They all deserve their part of the pie. Including the original artist.

    Bottom line: I still live by my principles, even when others don't.
    That is not what DRM does, DRM is the attempt of the industry to stop you from making back up copies, in case the original goes bad.
    It's a method to extort more money from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I support the prevention of copyright infringement.
    That's fine, I support ownership of tangible private property.
    When a company tries to restrict the use of my hardware through government, I'll punish them by doing what I want, when I want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Well, this just sounds like whining to me. People who sell a product are well within their rights to build that product any way they wish. Who are you to tell them otherwise? And if you don't like the way that product was built, you're not obligated to buy it. Simple as that.
    What about when company A tries to force company B to produce a product how company A wants it, through the use of government?
    That is what a lot of companies are trying to do through DRM.

    I'm not whining because in the end, I get to do whatever I want to, regardless of moral outrage.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It is theft of someone else's intellectual property. You steal a song from the internet, the person who actually wrote that song gets no residual for that transaction.

    You can call it anything you want, but the truth is that it is theft, plain and simple. And if you are doing it, that makes you a thief.
    No it doesn't.
    You can't apply tangible concepts to non tangible "things."

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