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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I can't justify spending money on something that I have no clue as to, whether or not, I will like it.
    I think you're doing a lot of self-justification right now, frankly. Just because you can view/hear/enjoy the entire content of digital/electronic entertainment without paying for that pleasure, doesn't mean you should.

    Is this the way you operate in the real world, too?

    Tell me this, when you go to a restaurant and order something that tastes good but isn't quite as yummy as you believed it would be, do you refuse to pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I like the movie I'll buy it, if not, they didn't earn my money.
    When you go to the movies, and the film is ok, but not quite as exciting and entertaining as you believed it would be, do you demand a refund?

    BTW, I don't have a dog in this race. I'm not into owning a digital media library; I don't own an ipod or any similar device. If I want to watch a movie, I either rent it or buy the DVD; I've never DL'd a movie for free or made a copy of a friend's. If an artist I like has released a new album, I buy it; I've never DL'd a song/album or made a copy of a friend's.

    This is a simple moral issue for me. In life, I makes my bets and takes my chances. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. That's just how life works and there are no guarantees. I just don't believe in taking what isn't mine or that which I haven't paid for (well, except for dumpster diving! HA!). And if I'm not completely and irrevocably 100% thrilled with my purchases, I live with it. It's just not in me to insist that my complete and total satisfaction must be met before I'll pay for anything (digital or not), nor to refuse to pay for it after I've used it.


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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You don't own a book's content even if you've bought it
    If you *lose* a book - like - it gets blown into the water at a lake - you have to go and buy another copy
    When you buy something you buy *that one* of it - there - that one is yours. . . a book, someone's art - all these things are still under copyright laws.

    Your issue isn't with that, then, because a variety of things fall under that - and these other things don't seem to bother you.
    My issue is with the law and the partnership between IP and government.
    I'll make any argument in resistance towards IP, until IP holders stop throwing a tantrum over having to lose some control over their works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Your issue is with the companies - stuffing the prices and charging too much. (I agree here)
    Your issue is with the government - getting involved more and more. (I agree here)
    Your issue is with the copyright laws as they exist now - which defined how much is *yours* and how much still belongs to another person. (I agree here)

    The only thing we're not agree on is what is acceptable for you or me to do in response to these three issues.
    The government allows these cartels to exist, even though they are against the law, I'll do whatever I can to essentially nullify these laws.
    Bending over and taking it isn't ok in my eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Like I said before - I think the government needs to tend to the kitchen where it has bigger fish to fry. . . I think that focusing on this is stupid and won't do anything. . . but I understand why they're going for it - even though it's a waste of time and there's no point.
    If the MPAA had their way, none of us would have had VCR's.
    They tried to sue Sony when the VCR was invented to prevent it being sold because they said it assisted copyright infringement.

    Now they are trying to implement devices that control what you can do with you property.
    DRM devices in your DVD players and computers is wrong.
    It extends far farther than just watching some free movies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The only thing I have strong issues with is when the photographer comes to my children's school - takes pictures of my children - prints them off off and sends them home - and then charges me an arm and a leg for pictures of my children and then claims copyright over those photos. . . which makes it illegal for me to make my own personal copies even if I buy 1 or 10.

    Difference between this and everything else: I have a legal option...
    I can write the photographer and request permission to "put a permanent backup of this photo on file just in case something happens to the printed copy" - once they say yes (they always do) then I can put it on my computer and print it off all I like.

    So - I think options like this should be available to all other copyrighted items. . . I feel you should be able to make copies of something you purchase - sure - as long as you don't intend on selling it and as long as you've legally purchased the original.

    Whats' wrong with that? Don't know - but some people have a serious issue with that proposal (like the companies, for one)
    That's wrong, they snapped a picture, your kid did all the work.
    They shouldn't be able to claim control over your child's image, their image is their property.

    You have the option of not giving a crap about their so called IP and copy the pictures as you wish, you paid for them.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I think you're doing a lot of self-justification right now, frankly. Just because you can view/hear/enjoy the entire content of digital/electronic entertainment without paying for that pleasure, doesn't mean you should.

    Is this the way you operate in the real world, too?

    Tell me this, when you go to a restaurant and order something that tastes good but isn't quite as yummy as you believed it would be, do you refuse to pay?
    If the food is bad enough, I'll demand a refund yes.

    You and others operate the same way though, in the real world.

    How many movies have you watched on over the air tv, that you never paid for?
    What about songs on the radio, pictures by contemporary painters?

    The fact is that in almost every aspect of the IP world you're allowed to sample the product before you buy it.
    The movie companies are quite hostile to that idea.



    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When you go to the movies, and the film is ok, but not quite as exciting and entertaining as you believed it would be, do you demand a refund?
    I'd like the option of a refund, as it is, that option is very restricted in most places.
    A lot of the time you can't get a refund on a DVD and must settle for store credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    BTW, I don't have a dog in this race. I'm not into owning a digital media library; I don't own an ipod or any similar device. If I want to watch a movie, I either rent it or buy the DVD; I've never DL'd a movie for free or made a copy of a friend's. If an artist I like has released a new album, I buy it; I've never DL'd a song/album or made a copy of a friend's.

    This is a simple moral issue for me. In life, I makes my bets and takes my chances. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. That's just how life works and there are no guarantees. I just don't believe in taking what isn't mine or that which I haven't paid for (well, except for dumpster diving! HA!). And if I'm not completely and irrevocably 100% thrilled with my purchases, I live with it. It's just not in me to insist that my complete and total satisfaction must be met before I'll pay for anything (digital or not), nor to refuse to pay for it after I've used it.

    I think you should question the moral reasoning behind the movie cartel and why they resist allowing you to own you property how you want it.
    They want DRM devices installed in your computer, TV, DVD players, Cellphones etc.

    They want you to own their product how they want it and for you to be locked into sometimes buying their same product multiple times.
    That isn't a morally superior position on their part.
    Sure two wrongs don't make a right but in this case, they have partnered with government to make their wrongs worse.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post



    That's wrong, they snapped a picture, your kid did all the work.
    They shouldn't be able to claim control over your child's image, their image is their property.

    You have the option of not giving a crap about their so called IP and copy the pictures as you wish, you paid for them.
    Actually it is a two street. The photographer is not allowed to publish the image for profit nor or the parents allowed to reproduce the image.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Actually it is a two street. The photographer is not allowed to publish the image for profit nor or the parents allowed to reproduce the image.
    It's their kids though.
    Not to piss on all photographers but school pictures are hardly "art" and the image is that of their child.

    That is why IP law is crazy dumb.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    maybe they can have metallica sue 12 year old girls again.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's their kids though.
    So, it is photographers equipment.


    Not to piss on all photographers but school pictures are hardly "art" and the image is that of their child
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    No kidding, and it is crappy job to do as well.

    That is why IP law is crazy dumb.
    W/O copyright people will not being doing the gig

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Difference between this and everything else: I have a legal option...
    I can write the photographer and request permission to "put a permanent backup of this photo on file just in case something happens to the printed copy" - once they say yes (they always do) then I can put it on my computer and print it off all I like.
    How is this any different from the things you've been criticizing throughout the thread?

    In order to avoid paying the photographer the price he requests for these pictures, you falsely claim that you want a digital copy to serve as a backup in case your purchased copies are destroyed. He generously allows you the use of that digital copy for that purpose. You then turn around and print that photo out as many times as you like, thus cheating him out of the money he would have made had you bought the pictures properly.

    You're making the exact same argument as Harry Guerilla - the costs to me are ridiculous, the direct costs to them are negligible, I think they're charging me an unfair price, and there's no way they can prevent me from doing this, so that makes it okay.
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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    maybe they can have metallica sue 12 year old girls again.
    They are some real ass holes.

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    Re: Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    … I think you should question the moral reasoning behind the movie cartel and why they resist allowing you to own you property how you want it. …
    I think you should question your own moral reasoning which allows you to negate centuries old copyright law.

    You may think your victims are the movie houses, the music labels, the video game producers, but the real victims are your law abiding neighbors either through higher prices or greater inconveniences.

    Thanks, Harry Guerrilla.
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