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Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

Southern Man said:
Its logical that they are influenced most from their parents, no matter how you attempt to spin it.

I have friends that are single parents, women, and in spite of their desire for more I can only have a tiny bit of influence with their children, near zero compared to their fathers.
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Seems that this debate comes down to the old nature v. nurture and where everything comes from. So pretty much any expert on this debate will tell you the parents will have the bigger development on the child before the age of 8. Following that though it is the peer group(If you need any book, study, article, etc, I will get it for you but assuming we are in an argument I would assume you have knowledge of this). Now tell me Southern Man, do you believe you are more the person you are because of your early childhood or your pre-teen-teenage years?

Overall, it is a mix of genetics and environment, I believe genetics play a bigger role, therefore I guess parents would play a "bigger" role. But in terms of environment I find it hard to believe you cannot seem to believe that it is the peers that in the end play the biggest role.
 
StevenA59 said:
That's why the AIDS rate is 50% for MSM couples. :roll:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
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Sorry, but let's go back to Statistics 101: what your link says is that 48% of HIV cases are MSM.

What it does NOT say is that 50% of gay couples have HIV.

According to avert.org - approximately 255,000 gay men live with HIV (as of 2007). Given even the lowest estimate of the gay male population (1.5%), that's fewer than 9% of gay men that have HIV (it would be under 5% if you go with the higher estimate of the gay population (3%).

Got it?
 
I view homosexuality as a sin and I don't support it, but I can't support this legislation. The Republican party is being extremely hypocritical here and selecting homosexuality and putting it on an immoral pedestal above other immoral sexual actions. Why aren't they pushing laws that outlaw fornication or sodomy? What about straight strip clubs? Those places promote lust as well and can destroy the fabric of the family (daddy going to a strip club and cheating on mommy). What about porn? I would say porn is more destructive to a marriage/family than homosexuals. If they are going to claim that they stand up for God's morals, then they need to be consistent and not single out homosexuality. It's a shame, and the hypocrisy is disgusting.
 
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digsbe said:
I view homosexuality as a sin and I don't support it, but I can't support this legislation. The Republican party is being extremely hypocritical here and selecting homosexuality and putting it on an immoral pedestal above other immoral sexual actions. Why aren't they pushing laws that outlaw fornication or sodomy? What about straight strip clubs? Those places promote lust as well and can destroy the fabric of the family (daddy going to a strip club and cheating on mommy). What about porn? I would say porn is more destructive to a marriage/family than homosexuals. If they are going to claim that they stand up for God's morals, then they need to be consistent and not single out homosexuality. It's a shame, and the hypocrisy is disgusting.
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Thank you!! This is one reason I can not align myself with conservative christianity as they only seem to focus on certain things to the exclusion of others.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Sorry, but let's go back to Statistics 101: what your link says is that 48% of HIV cases are MSM.

What it does NOT say is that 50% of gay couples have HIV.

According to avert.org - approximately 255,000 gay men live with HIV (as of 2007). Given even the lowest estimate of the gay male population (1.5%), that's fewer than 9% of gay men that have HIV (it would be under 5% if you go with the higher estimate of the gay population (3%).

Got it?
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Splitting hairs. The point is that male queers and HIV practically go hand-in-hand. The anus is simply not designed for sex.
 
megaprogman said:
Thank you!! This is one reason I can not align myself with conservative christianity as they only seem to focus on certain things to the exclusion of others.
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I whole heartedly feel the same. I am a socially conservative Christian, but I won't say I am part of the conservative Christian movement. Those who claim to represent my beliefs are hypocrites. I see no love of Jesus from them, just partisan hypocrisy.


Southern Man said:
Splitting hairs. The point is that male queers and HIV practically go hand-in-hand. The anus is simply not designed for sex.
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Neither was the female mouth, hands, and any other body parts other than the vagina. Which, by the way, can also spread aids.
 
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digsbe said:
I whole heartedly feel the same. I am a socially conservative Christian, but those who claim to represent my beliefs are hypocrites. I see no love of Jesus from them, just partisan hypocrisy.
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I am socially moderate myself but I live my life in a manner that most social conservatives would be comfortable with. I just have no wish to enforce my beliefs on others but at the same time I cannot endorse things I cannot agree with, so I tend to stay in the middle.
 
Southern Man said:
Splitting hairs. The point is that male queers and HIV practically go hand-in-hand. The anus is simply not designed for sex.
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The anus is not designed. HIV goes hand in hand with promiscuity. Anal sex is not practiced by many gays. Why are you so fixated on anal sex?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Alvin McEwen: Anti-Gay Organization Founder Travels With a 'Rentboy'

You don't read the news much do you? And before you bitch about the Huffington Post, I was just looking for a quick link, the story was everywhere.
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I'm not one to attack the source, so no I won't be "bitching" about HufPo. I will note the irony, however, because that is exactly what you are doing instead of commenting on the findings of the research.

I will also note that the older gentleman has stated reasons for hiring the younger, and that no evidence is offered to dispute it, only innuendo.
 
Redress said:
The anus is not designed. HIV goes hand in hand with promiscuity. Anal sex is not practiced by many gays. Why are you so fixated on anal sex?
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Assuming for a moment that it formed in mammals by happenstance, its purpose is to evacuate waste, not to accept semen, and is therefore susceptible to blood-borne disease. Most male gays indeed practice anal intercourse, and this has caused an explosion in HIV transmissions world-wide. Your attempt to ad-hom by the assertion of "fixation" is predictable.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not one to attack the source, so no I won't be "bitching" about HufPo. I will note the irony, however, because that is exactly what you are doing instead of commenting on the findings of the research.

I will also note that the older gentleman has stated reasons for hiring the younger, and that no evidence is offered to dispute it, only innuendo.
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I never once commented on any finding, simply you trying to call Rent Boy a
"gay" insult
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Against you. As far as the stated reasons why... ROFL... He hired the younger... ROFL are you honestly telling me that Rentboy.com was the only way he could get a dude to ROFL... carry his luggage ;)
 
Jetboogieman said:
I never once commented on any finding, simply you trying to call Rent Boy a Against you. As far as the stated reasons why... ROFL... He hired the younger... ROFL are you honestly telling me that Rentboy.com was the only way he could get a dude to ROFL... carry his luggage ;)
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You don't know that's how they met.
 
Southern Man said:
Assuming for a moment that it formed in mammals by happenstance, its purpose is to evacuate waste, not to accept semen, and is therefore susceptible to blood-borne disease. Most male gays indeed practice anal intercourse, and this has caused an explosion in HIV transmissions world-wide. Your attempt to ad-hom by the assertion of "fixation" is predictable.
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And, as I showed you earlier, anal sex is primarily a heterosexual activity. And the mouth is for eating, not sucking dick. Yet I doubt you have any issue with your wife sticking yours in her "eating device".

And, anal sex doesn't spread HIV. Unprotected sex spreads HIV.
 
Southern Man said:
You don't know that's how they met.
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Seriously, take a look at the website, there is a disclaimer and an enter/leave choice. They make it very clear what they are. If there is still confusion, the guys in assless pants on the screen after you enter aught to be a clue to Mr. Rekers.

If he needed someone to carry his luggage, he could have gone to any local temp agency quite easily.
 
Southern Man said:
You don't know that's how they met.
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Yet Rekers wouldn't deny he met his slender, blond escort at Rentboy.com -- which features homepage images of men in bondage and grainy videos of crotch-rubbing twinks -- and Lucien confirmed it.
 
digsbe said:
I view homosexuality as a sin and I don't support it, but I can't support this legislation. The Republican party is being extremely hypocritical here and selecting homosexuality and putting it on an immoral pedestal above other immoral sexual actions. Why aren't they pushing laws that outlaw fornication or sodomy? What about straight strip clubs? Those places promote lust as well and can destroy the fabric of the family (daddy going to a strip club and cheating on mommy). What about porn? I would say porn is more destructive to a marriage/family than homosexuals. If they are going to claim that they stand up for God's morals, then they need to be consistent and not single out homosexuality. It's a shame, and the hypocrisy is disgusting.
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You have committed an incredible reading comprehension failure. The title of the link in the OP alone destroys your argument:

Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs, Pornography
 
megaprogman said:
Seriously, take a look at the website, there is a disclaimer and an enter/leave choice. They make it very clear what they are. If there is still confusion, the guys in assless pants on the screen after you enter aught to be a clue to Mr. Rekers.

If he needed someone to carry his luggage, he could have gone to any local temp agency quite easily.
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Again, that could be a coincidence. You don't know if they met that way. He could have just as likely met the guy through a mutual friend.
 
Southern Man said:
You have committed an incredible reading comprehension failure. The title of the link in the OP alone destroys your argument:

Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs, Pornography
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Forgive me, I assumed it was strictly talking about gay pornography due to the context of the sentence and thread. Regardless, where are the laws against fornication? And what makes a male strip club worse than a female one? The hypocrisy still stands.
 
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