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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Something to help you understand how things work. You present credible evidence to back a source. Discounting a source based on a history of bias is not a genetic fallacy. The idea is not being discounted because of the source, it is being discounted because you have presented zero credible evidence to support the idea.
    And you have attacked the source, not the findings.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    He didn't get kicked out for not agreeing with them. He got kicked out because he violated their Ethical Principles. Besides the studies that he uses don't say what he was saying.
    That's their claim.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    And you have attacked the source, not the findings.
    Because it isn't a creditable source.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    You tried that already.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    And you have attacked the source, not the findings.
    What you do not understand. The idea is not being rejected because of the source. Your backing for the idea is being rejected. Since you have not offered any credible backing for your claim, and since the burden of proof is on you, the claim is unsubstantiated.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What you do not understand. The idea is not being rejected because of the source. Your backing for the idea is being rejected. Since you have not offered any credible backing for your claim, and since the burden of proof is on you, the claim is unsubstantiated.
    Circular argument.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Circular argument.
    Do you have a book with the terms of the different types of argument fallacies and throw them out at various times? Seriously. If the source isn't credible, why on earth would the findings be credible?

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    You tried that already.
    Actually, he already succeeded in that. What was tried is to pass off a shoddy piece of work as a legit source. Let's take a quick look at your source, only going 4 paragraphs in to find the fatal flaw. I would take it apart totally, but I got to make dinner soon.

    My source: Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

    From your source:

    In 1983, a probability survey of the sexual experiences of 4,340 adults in 5 U.S. cities found that about 3% of men and 7% of women reported sexual involvement with a man before the age of 134 (i.e., 30% was homosexual).
    Wow, with footnotes to prove it and everything. That is pretty damning...oh wait, there is a problem there, and it lies in the bolded part.

    Now drawing from my source:

    Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

    To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.
    So, according to my source, calling male/male molestation "homosexual" is inaccurate. Now why would it say that...well, let's look further:

    Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).
    What all this is saying is that pedophiles(and hebophiles) are not gay. What the article does explain is that in a large number of child molesters, their primary sexual attraction is to children, not male or female. What this all means is that using the number of male/male incidence of child molesting as evidence gays are more likely to be child molesters is false. In other words, your whole source has fallen apart within 4 paragraphs.

    Now tell me what logical fallacy this is.
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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Do you have a book with the terms of the different types of argument fallacies and throw them out at various times? Seriously. If the source isn't credible, why on earth would the findings be credible?
    It isn't even that. If you were to read the source the two that have percentages aren't even in the 50's. So how can anyone say that most homosexuals commit child molestation.

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    Re: Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs...

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    It isn't even that. If you were to read the source the two that have percentages aren't even in the 50's. So how can anyone say that most homosexuals commit child molestation.
    Well, it's propaganda plain and simple. Homophobes have been trying to tie homosexuality to pedophilia for years.

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