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    Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Somebody's not telling the truth - and it happened in the Oval Office. Sounds like a good mystery that the press corps would just love to solve. My guess, though, is it will remain forever a case of he said/he said.

    It started last week when Republican Sen. Jon Kyl said at a town hall in Tempe, Ariz. that during a recent private meeting in the Oval Office the president said: "The problem is, if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'" In other words, Kyl said, the president is holding border security hostage to comprehensive reform.


    Who's lying? Obama. Why? Because he has the track record of openly lying about so many different items.

    Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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    And that's just the short list.

    It makes perfect sense Obama would try and hold securing the border hostage since amnesty has been at the heart of the Democrat position because they want the votes illegals will bring in since the vast majority would be democrats if they were handed citizenship. Republicans want to secure the border first, get that under control, stop the flood but Obama knows the country has no stomach for amnesty cue the McCain Amnesty bill under Bush. So we have a proven liar with an agenda that has never changed when it comes to border policy or a long term standing senator in a border state.

    The choice is clear.

    Another good reason? One man is on the record on what was said during the discussion, the other hides behind an aide to deliver his response.
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    It started last week when Republican Sen. Jon Kyl said at a town hall in Tempe, Ariz. that during a recent private meeting in the Oval Office the president said: "The problem is, if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'" In other words, Kyl said, the president is holding border security hostage to comprehensive reform.
    OMG! A republican said something outrageously damning about the President, why would a Republican ever do such a thing? Certainly in Arizona...

    Barack Obama is many things, but stupid enough to say something like that to a republican senator, somehow I think not...but hey, any excuse to sock it to him right.

    Now he may have said it, but chances are not likely.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OMG! A republican said something outrageously damning about the President, why would a Republican ever do such a thing? Certainly in Arizona...

    Barack Obama is many things, but stupid enough to say something like that to a republican senator, somehow I think not...but hey, any excuse to sock it to him right.

    Now he may have said it, but chances are not likely.
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    Hey, if you've got a track record of Kyl lying his ass off, by all means, present it.
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OMG! A republican said something outrageously damning about the President, why would a Republican ever do such a thing? Certainly in Arizona...

    Barack Obama is many things, but stupid enough to say something like that to a republican senator, somehow I think not...but hey, any excuse to sock it to him right.

    Now he may have said it, but chances are not likely.
    Yeah it's almost like Republicans don't like him. I wish we were back in the good ol' days when Democrats were saying mean things about Bush and putting words in his mouth.... actually no both situations suck.

    But I agree Obama probably isn't dumb enough to say something like that, especially not to those who oppose him.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    Yeah it's almost like Republicans don't like him. I wish we were back in the good ol' days when Democrats were saying mean things about Bush and putting words in his mouth.... actually no both situations suck.

    But I agree Obama probably isn't dumb enough to say something like that, especially not to those who oppose him.
    So Kyl is lying?
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OMG! A republican said something outrageously damning about the President, why would a Republican ever do such a thing? Certainly in Arizona...

    Barack Obama is many things, but stupid enough to say something like that to a republican senator, somehow I think not...but hey, any excuse to sock it to him right.

    Now he may have said it, but chances are not likely.
    You wanna play this game

    Where else can you go as an illegal alien and be given free housing, welfare and just keep collecting the goodies while your under court order to go away? Democrats

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So Kyl is lying?
    How about it Frozengale?
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Somebody's not telling the truth - and it happened in the Oval Office. Sounds like a good mystery that the press corps would just love to solve. My guess, though, is it will remain forever a case of he said/he said.

    It started last week when Republican Sen. Jon Kyl said at a town hall in Tempe, Ariz. that during a recent private meeting in the Oval Office the president said: "The problem is, if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'" In other words, Kyl said, the president is holding border security hostage to comprehensive reform.


    Who's lying? Obama. Why? Because he has the track record of openly lying about so many different items.
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    I think what Obama is doing is no different than what Bush did which is ignore the border until it becomes a issue and then throw money at the situation to do absolutely nothing other than give the appearance that something is being done like placing the national guard on the border with no authority to arrest or detain illegal crosser or to prevent illegal crossing and setting up a virtual fence. They both basically held border security hostage because they want amnesty or some easy way for employers to undermine the local workforce by making it totally easier for those in other countries to obtain work visas. If any president actually gave a damn about border they would have relentlessly pushed for border security.


    So what Kyle is saying is not really news, but more of duhh moment.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How about it Frozengale?
    It's very likely.
    It's also possible that it's simply him twisting his words around. Maybe Obama was talking about Border Security, and Kyl heard something or took it out of context. Remember the best lies are based on truth. The greatest lies are the ones we believe ourselves (especially when we don't know we are lying). Like you said though it is a game of he said/he said. Not to mention people from both parties aren't above lying or twisting facts to get what they want.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    I noted in the earlier thread about Kyl that there was reason to doubt him. Only those who want it to be true accept his word unchallenged. None of us can know what was actually said there, but that's the point. When a politician says something he can't support, we should always doubt it.

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