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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So does willingly swallowing anything fed you based on an ideology.
    Where have advocated swallowing anything?

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The tool is the one who ignores the record of lying by one man without any reason to disbelieve the other.
    As long as you look at it that way, thinking the person matters and not the proof, you open yourself up to getting it wrong.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    It's easy to figure out who's lying by asking, who benefits from the lie? Obama benefits as he doesn't want to be seen as negligent at securing the border. Kyl has nothing to gain by lying. Simple.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As long as you look at it that way, thinking the person matters and not the proof, you open yourself up to getting it wrong.
    The proof is their records. Look into it.
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's easy to figure out who's lying by asking, who benefits from the lie? Obama benefits as he doesn't want to be seen as negligent at securing the border. Kyl has nothing to gain by lying. Simple.
    Excellent point
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's easy to figure out who's lying by asking, who benefits from the lie? Obama benefits as he doesn't want to be seen as negligent at securing the border. Kyl has nothing to gain by lying. Simple.
    No, that s false. Liars sometimes tell the turth, and honest men sometimes lie, we people often believe a lie. And Kyl does have something to gain, he musters public support. He has to hope no one questions him or asks that he prove his accusations.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    If Kyl is willing to go before a Judge/Jury/Tribunal under oath and be subject to cross examination. Then we can attest to whether what he said was true.

    In the end HE made the accusation and HE has to prove it...

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Kyl doesn't have a record of lying, Obama has changed his fortunes drastically by portraying himself as a Uniter, post-partisan, and then turns out to be the ultimate political hack.
    He tells bald faced lies about his handling of the oil spill in his presser before going on vacation.

    Further, it sounds exactly like Obama.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Kyl and Obi under oath. I know where I'd place my money.

    Let's for a moment say Kyl is lying.
    I say it's a stroke of political genius right out of the left's playbook. But Kyl doesn't have a Machievellian streak. If B-1 Bob Dornen said it, then one would have to pause, or some other R firebrand. Obama probabaly wouldn't have been in the room alone with them.
    Kyl has an excellent reputation, he always portrays a sense of calm and reason, even if you don't like R's.

    The question is why would he sully it with a lie about POTUS? Obi has all the rope he needs and is tightening the noose with every passing day, every raw deal, and every lie and obfuscation.
    Sestak, ObiKare, Immigration, The Gulf, trying to sideline FOXNEWS... etc...
    POTUS is up to his ass in this because he is against the law and will of the people. That's enough.
    This... only confirms Obi's hostilities to the immigration law. It is a perfect fit to his actions and words, and his manner of dealing with people.

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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Personally, I trust Kyl over Obama. I believe Obama is an ideologically driven monster who would absolutely capitalize upon an insecure border in order to enact damaging immigration reform. However, I doubt why he would tell Kyl his plan blatantly like that. Regardless, I do believe Obama isn't securing the border so that he can push for his immigration agenda. I think he's also capitalizing on the oil spill in order to make it into some political front against oil and energy independence.
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    Re: Who's Lying? White House Denies Kyl's Immigration Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post

    In the end HE made the accusation and HE has to prove it...
    He doesn't have to prove a thing. It was a one-on-one conversation - neither Obama nor Kyl can "prove" anything. It is now up to public opinion and leans on personal credibility and logic. Obama is the beneficiary of lying - Kyl is not. Then it's up to who people believe is more credible. The end.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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