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The End of Men

Mell said:
Even if it doesnt, it would still be funny, if he got suspended again right away. :D
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No, because next warning, etc equals me getting a ban. And quit going off topic. Please?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
psht. I handle the spider relocation at my house. Killing spiders is a WASTE. Don't you know that spiders eat bad bugs?

I dunno, my boyfriend is pretty manly. I don't see him being particularly threatened by me working and being good at my job. In fact, I think he thinks it's kind of hot.
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hey, dont tell me that...tell the screaming women that call 911 to have someone kill that defenseless little spider.

And you arent seriously going to make what I said to mean ALL MEN are you? Im sure your boyfriend isnt threatened. Hell...Im not either. I applaud it...I LOVE it when a woman gets on top. I would also have NO PROBLEM (in fact I think it would ROCK) if my wife made more than I do.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
From personal experience: The best thing you can do is to show you can do the job. That will shut up the critics faster than a rule would. Just smile pretty and kick their ass at the work.
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That is pretty much what I do.
 
Mell said:
Normal people dont get hostile, because they are not allowed to make sexist and rascist comments. The harm was already there, before the rules.
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Psht. What do you know about that? WERE YOU THERE? I was. I preferred the overt to the hidden. We haven't stopped the actual racists/misogynists from doing anything. We've just driven them underground.

See, you think that passing a rule changes people's attitudes. It doesn't. What changes people's attitudes is seeing evidence that their attitude is wrong, not forcing them to adopt a behavior that they have zero investment in.

Stupid hate speech rules.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
No, because next warning, etc equals me getting a ban. And quit going off topic. Please?
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Well, maybe you should join a different discussion instead of this one. I dont think you would be able to resist insulting people on a thread about womens rights, and consequently getting yourself banned.
 
VanceMack said:
hey, dont tell me that...tell the screaming women that call 911 to have someone kill that defenseless little spider.
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Actually, the screamer would be my boyfriend. He's terrified of snakes/spiders. Those don't bother me, I'm a farm girl.

And you arent seriously going to make what I said to mean ALL MEN are you? Im sure your boyfriend isnt threatened. Hell...Im not either. I applaud it...I LOVE it when a woman gets on top. I would also have NO PROBLEM (in fact I think it would ROCK) if my wife made more than I do.
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No, I don't think all (or even most) men are actually sexists.
 
Mell said:
That is pretty much what I do.
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No, you're clearly one of those girls who feels she needs to report ANYTHING that strikes you the wrong way, instead of just sacking up and handling it with the guys you work with.

And, in the long run, that's a huge mistake, professionally speaking.
 
Mell said:
Well, maybe you should join a different discussion instead of this one. I dont think you would be able to resist insulting people on a thread about womens rights, and consequently getting yourself banned.
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I think you should worry about yourself, and let Gray Wolf worry about himself.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Psht. What do you know about that? WERE YOU THERE? I was. I preferred the overt to the hidden. We haven't stopped the actual racists/misogynists from doing anything. We've just driven them underground.

See, you think that passing a rule changes people's attitudes. It doesn't. What changes people's attitudes is seeing evidence that their attitude is wrong, not forcing them to adopt a behavior that they have zero investment in.

Stupid hate speech rules.
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I hate having to listen to the mysogynists and rascists though.
 
Here is the fallacy to this whole thing. There ARE a LOT of women succeeding and thats a GOOD thing. There are more CEOs...again...a good thing tho truth be told, there are a LOT of paper CEO's...women who have been hired to be figureheard CEOs of businesses so they can compete for minority priority government contracts. Still

As long as we still have this ever increasing number of women that are the coed campus bar slut girls gone wild, spring break bimbos, then it is highly unlikely that we will ever see a real shift in male/female relations. I suspect what we WILL see is an increase in the disfucntional and disordered male/female relations and a DECREASE in the positive male/femal relations in quanitity...with percentages remaining fairly constant.
 
Mell said:
I hate having to listen to the mysogynists and rascists though.
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Sack up. Life is hard. If you don't like what they say, challenge them, toe to toe. Say, "I don't like what you said." That's what it takes for some folks to stop saying those things.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Actually, the screamer would be my boyfriend. He's terrified of snakes/spiders. Those don't bother me, I'm a farm girl.



No, I don't think all (or even most) men are actually sexists.
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Im pretty sure we are probably on the same page, actually...ya redneck! ;-)
 
Catz Part Deux said:
No, you're clearly one of those girls who feels she needs to report ANYTHING that strikes you the wrong way, instead of just sacking up and handling it with the guys you work with.

And, in the long run, that's a huge mistake, professionally speaking.
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And, you are one of the ones who became tough, and prostituted her femininity for the sake of professional gains.
 
Mell said:
And, you are one of the ones who became tough, and prostituted her femininity for the sake of professional gains.
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Ah, you say that like it's a bad thing. I am tough. I take pride in that. You wouldn't last a day in my job. Most people on this board wouldn't (I'll make an exception for Vance, Caine, Goshin or Hellhound).

I do a tough job, and I'm a tough woman.

AND, I ENJOY being female and being able to kick ass on the job. It's not an either/or choice. I like cooking, and wearing makeup, and having pretty clothes, and showing that I can still do the job while being feminine and sexy.

I don't feel like I'm obligated to give up one part of myself to have the other part. I do NOTHING that I don't want to do.

You're acting like some kind of weird martyr/victim. I don't get it. Being a woman is powerful. My body is amazing. I can have multiple orgasms, and cook a fantastic meal, and do meaningful work, and bring life into the world. I LIKE being a woman.

Why wouldn't I want to be tough, for that matter? Or sexy?
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I don't think that trying to get other users suspended/banned is funny.
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I am just making fun of him, as a joke. Anyway, I am off to a new discussion. This one is dying.
 
Mell said:
And, you are one of the ones who became tough, and prostituted her femininity for the sake of professional gains.
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hey, that sounds like an attack! :roll:

Mell...just an observation? Most guys arent racists or sexists. And most of us respect the hell out of women that EARN equal privelege instead of whining about how unfair life is.

Ive worked with a lot of women in the military. Some...frankly I wouldnt piss on em if they were on fire. Some I'd follow into the depths of hell. The difference is what their actions show, not their words. And those actions dont in a single way diminish their femininity...it ENHANCES it. Unless of course you define femininity as weak, annoying, I want equal rights but I dont want to have to tote a tool box or carry a weapon, dont want to crack a nail, dont make jokes I might perceive as sexist blah blah balh...
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It depends on the business really.
If we are talking about risk taking endeavors, men clearly outdo women.
For the sake of stability, women do better than men.

There is a difference of style that is genetic.

This shows how women tend to shy away from risk.
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Women have a better intuition than most men because most men think with the wrong head. It is sometimes known as plain old horse sense.
 
VanceMack said:
The difference is what their actions show, not their words. And those actions dont in a single way diminish their femininity...it ENHANCES it. Unless of course you define femininity as weak, annoying, I want equal rights but I dont want to have to tote a tool box or carry a weapon, dont want to crack a nail, dont make jokes I might perceive as sexist blah blah balh...
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My boyfriend and I re-roofed his house, and my mom died a little inside when I told her that. She was like, "He will never look at you the same way again."

Hilarious, really. In my mom's world, I should stand on the ground and be frail, and coo admiringly while he puts on a new roof. **** that noise, I like learning to do things, and it felt good to know that I could put a new roof on my house if I had to.
 
Getting sort of back on topic...

No, I hardly think this is "the end of men". For centuries the pendulum was tied way over on the male side of things; over the past century it has swung downward towards equilibrium... but if you've ever watched a pendulum they tend to swing back and forth for awhile before coming to rest. This is a fluctuation in favor of the female to some degree. That doesn't mean the future is all about women with men relegated to the status of pets; frankly that is silly.

The future doesn't belong to a particular gender any more than a particular race; it belongs to those individuals to seize the opportunities that come their way.

On to personal observations...

I've had both male and female bosses over the course of two dozen years in the wonderful world of work: probably more female bosses than male. I've considered the virtues and vices of both and found that they do vary, but they vary more as individuals than strictly by gender.

Still, there are some common features often found in the male boss, and the female boss. The following are generalities, you understand: there are always exceptions and individuals vary!

Bossman: A self-confident bossman can be easy to work for, easy to talk to, and easy to get along with. Such a bossman has a notable lack of jealousy and fear of subordinates showing him up. However, a bossman who doubts himself is likely to compensate by acting like he's Donald Trump, J. Edgar Hoover, Tom Cruise and Chuck Norris all rolled into one. A bossman lacking self-confidence is likely to be abrasive, abusive, and excessively domineering. His criticism will be excessively harsh rather than constructive, he will put down and maybe even fire competent subordinates, frack with you just because he can, and otherwise generally be a pain in the anus.
Good bossmen tend to be decisive but open to suggestions; communicate well but not let discussions go on past the point of productivity; maintain the right level of control over subordinates and operations without micromanaging; and are less inclined to negative "quirkiness" than many female bosses.

Boss Lady: A good boss lady can be a treasure; if she is confident, capable and experienced in management, she will typically be easy to get along with if you do a good job, and is far more likely to be free with praise than even the best male boss. Female bosses are often more understanding about personal and family issues, and are more likely to make criticism constructive rather than punitively harsh.
A female boss who lacks self-confidence or who is less than competent can be a problem, just as a boss-man with that fault is, but sometimes in different ways. Some symptoms include suddenly screaming at everyone for no apparent reason, then running off crying and locking her office door for an hour (or leaving and going home without explanation). Some female bosses have "queen bee syndrome" and tend to hate their female subordinates and equals, expressing jealousy and backbiting. Some are highly manipulative in office politics, in some cases downright machiavellian. Contrariwise some female bosses have a bug up their butt about men, and make a point of putting down or harassing all males under their authority.
Female bosses are more likely to seek suggestions or advice from subordinates without feeling threatened by the admission, but often are also less decisive in time-critical situations where there is no opportunity to seek consensus.

I've had bosses of either gender who sucked, and others who were great.

On the whole though, I've liked more of my bossladies than bossmen. I'm not sure if I can even explain why, other than to say Hey, Goshin likes the womenfolks better than menfolks. :mrgreen:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
My boyfriend and I re-roofed his house, and my mom died a little inside when I told her that. She was like, "He will never look at you the same way again."

Hilarious, really. In my mom's world, I should stand on the ground and be frail, and coo admiringly while he puts on a new roof. **** that noise, I like learning to do things, and it felt good to know that I could put a new roof on my house if I had to.
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I prefer a woman who wants to DO things with me, than one who wants to sit nearby, watch, and make pleasant but insincere admiring noises while she repaints her nails.
 
Goshin said:
I prefer a woman who wants to DO things with me, than one who wants to sit nearby, watch, and make pleasant but insincere admiring noises while she repaints her nails.
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I decided that I wouldn't really be happy with a man who wanted me to be a trophy. I'm just not good at sitting and looking pretty. I prefer to pitch in and get dirty.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
My boyfriend and I re-roofed his house, and my mom died a little inside when I told her that. She was like, "He will never look at you the same way again."

Hilarious, really. In my mom's world, I should stand on the ground and be frail, and coo admiringly while he puts on a new roof. **** that noise, I like learning to do things, and it felt good to know that I could put a new roof on my house if I had to.
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Im sure he wont...he will look at you and say...you know...when i saw you up there...sweating...bending over...hauling that plywood and roofing tiles...I swear...its all I could do to keep from...

See...Im sorry...but thats SEXY...
 
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