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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I think that it's the idea of equality more than anything. And just as with any group who is in the minority, they want their day in the sun too. It's understandable. Not that there aren't women who don't love the idea of female superiority. Just read the SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanas for an example of that.
    I'm fine with equality - in fact, I'm more than fine with it. I fully support equality in every aspect that comes to mind. However, there is a marked difference between saying "in general, men and women are equally capable" versus "in general, women are better suited to business..." The second is the clear intent of the original article. It's a bit silly. Actually, scratch that. It's very silly. Just as silly as the notion that men are better than women in business.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm sorry, but I don't buy the notion that a person having a vagina instead of a penis would make them not do well in business.
    Brain chemistry, males and females have different biochemical make ups which influence their decision making skills, especially in relation to career choices.

    You can't change a million years of evolution because we think it's wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    They are different biologically, but I fail to see why it is such a big deal to treat them equally in a societal way. They are, after all, human beings as well. Plus, I think the argument of "Well, it's always been that way..so why change it now?" is kind of a cop-out. I think there are a fair amount of men out there who are still enjoying their ride at the top and now that it is slightly threatened they are getting defensive and essentially scared.
    Not true at all.
    Men and women are inherently different, not just on the outside but on the inside as well.
    We have different biological tendencies towards career and other social choices.

    The notion that those at the top are scared is hilarious because if that is all that was holding things together, chicks would of already conquered the work place through superior business tactics.

    That isn't happening, they are becoming school teachers and nurses for the most part.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Brain chemistry, males and females have different biochemical make ups which influence their decision making skills, especially in relation to career choices.

    You can't change a million years of evolution because we think it's wrong.
    Then show me a study (unbiased of course) to back up your assertion that women aren't as good as men in business. I'm dying to see some proof on this.



    Not true at all.
    Men and women are inherently different, not just on the outside but on the inside as well.
    We are different biological tendencies towards career and other social choices.
    Which is why I said this:

    They are different biologically
    The notion that those at the top are scared is hilarious because if that is all that was holding things together, chicks would of already conquered the work place through superior business tactics.

    That isn't happening, they are becoming school teachers and nurses for the most part.
    I'm not saying all at the top are scared. I'm a guy, which means I already have an advantage because we still live in a male dominated society. However, I more than welcome a change to this. It's about time. There are a fair amount of guys who are terrified by the idea, though.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The End of Men - Magazine - The Atlantic



    Money quote: With few exceptions, the greater the power of women, the greater the country’s economic success.

    Any thoughts on where we're headed culturally?
    That's because we rock and exude . . . ah . . . intelligence.

    Hah - reminds me of Star Trek and the Orion Women.


    Seriously, however, I don't want the world to be dominated one over hte other - I'd like equality. Nice and even. NO false assumptions based on gender that __ is better than __. Things should be more competitive - aside gender and race.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Then show me a study (unbiased of course) to back up your assertion that women aren't as good as men in business. I'm dying to see some proof on this.
    It depends on the business really.
    If we are talking about risk taking endeavors, men clearly outdo women.
    For the sake of stability, women do better than men.

    There is a difference of style that is genetic.

    This shows how women tend to shy away from risk.
    How Women Invest Differently Than Men - WSJ.com

    This is an interview with a person that says mixed management is good but I think we need to figure out what kind of mixed management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm not saying all at the top are scared. I'm a guy, which means I already have an advantage because we still live in a male dominated society. However, I more than welcome a change to this. It's about time. There are a fair amount of guys who are terrified by the idea, though.
    I'm not welcome to it, if it comes by force.
    That's wrong, if it will displace talented people for non talented people.

    I don't think we should embrace any fairytale, utopian view of equality because women and men have different strengths and weaknesses which are suited for their particular areas.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No facts are the expert witness on this.

    Black males get a particularly bum ride, as they aren't as likely to see a dollar from SS and Medicare, while white females are the biggest beneficiaries.
    Poor babies. Women were equivalent to indentured servants throughout most of history. Now that we are starting to attain equality--ON OUR MERITS--you whine about women getting an unfair advantage.

    Kind of hilarious, really. However, if you'd actually bothered to READ the article, you'd see that colleges are using scholarships and financial aid to recruit MEN to address the disproportionate female enrollment.

    So, they're actually giving MEN financial advantages to try and level the academic playing field. Apparently, the boys can't achieve educationally on their own merits.

    Apologies for the snarky tone, but I couldn't resist.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It depends on the business really.
    If we are talking about risk taking endeavors, men clearly outdo women.
    For the sake of stability, women do better than men.

    There is a difference of style that is genetic.
    I'm not talking about risk-taking endeavors. Business isn't always about taking risks.

    This shows how women tend to shy away from risk.
    How Women Invest Differently Than Men - WSJ.com
    Did you read that article? It paints women in a pretty good light saying that taking risks, like men do, isn't really good business sense. I'd say that this article proves quite the opposite of what you are asserting here.
    This is an interview with a person that says mixed management is good but I think we need to figure out what kind of mixed management.
    Credit Suisse -
    That's also not a study. It's one person's opinion.

    I'm not welcome to it, if it comes by force.
    That's wrong, if it will displace talented people for non talented people.
    I don't think it will come by force. I think it's a part of the natural progression of things.

    I don't think we should embrace any fairytale, utopian view of equality because women and men have different strengths and weaknesses which are suited for their particular areas.
    I also don't think it's a fairytale or a utopian view.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm not talking about risk-taking endeavors. Business isn't always about taking risks.
    One could argue that testosterone-driven risk-taking propensities got us into the current financial depression we're experiencing through gambling on risky investments.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea I wish people would get over this crap.
    Chicks doing dick wagging isn't very attractive.

    Maybe one day we'll realize that people are naturally better at some things than others and it won't be a pissing contest of which sexual organs are better.
    Well, this is true, but women dont have a choice about 'dick wagging' if they want to get ahead right now.

    And yes, it will be nice if one day people do realise that women do different things better than men do, but in order for this to happen successfully what women do well will need to be respected by both men and women themselves. It is difficult for women to respect what is given less status and economic benefits and want to do it. The main obstacle to overcome will be to make what women would do naturally more economically respected. But, there is progress being made in this area too. Things like counselling and therapy are becomming big business and more and more well paid, and this industry is natural for women and also dominated in greater numbers by them.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I also don't think it's a fairytale or a utopian view.
    I find your equality-driven utopian views rather hot.

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