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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    What society has been doing is exploiting women, for the benefit of men.
    That's a bit of a stretch in the truth.

    Have women held a lower status, yea.
    Was it right, no.

    Exploited, no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    It is about time society put more value on motherhood, and recognised its importance. But, I think adequately recognising its importance should be more than just paid leave for new mothers.
    A female making the choice of being a parent should not be the burden of society.
    It's important to some people, particularly parents.
    For those that aren't parents, it's not important and it shouldn't be made important.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We women are glad that you men continue to hold onto your fantasies. It makes our job so much easier when you don't see it coming.
    Of course they see it comming. But, they should in fact be happy about it. Balance will benefit everybody. All this 'battling' of the sexes feels good for nobody. The sooner things get fixed the better.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Me too. Glad to see them starting to shift that is. I want better for my daughter than the sexist crap I have seen in work places and in society.

    But, I suppose discrimination against us does not really make us less than men are. It just makes us end up with less of the worlds wealth. I hope my daughter will see it like that, and it wont bug her emotionally as it does me.
    Well, in the work force men are still unfortunately dominant (though I am very glad to see that shifting as I said before). However, in social interactions between the two sexes, men fool themselves into thinking that they are in charge when, in many ways, they are total slaves to women. I absolutely adore women who use their sexual prowess as a tool to manipulate men who are deserving of it. Of course, society frowns upon women like these because they consider it disgusting to manipulate. However, I say more power to them. If you have an advantage, take it.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    I dont think feminists want an end to men. I think, they want women to have the equal social and working rights as men do, and they are making good progress with it too, considering how bad things were in even the most developed countries 200 hundred years ago.
    Exactly. Feminism is about equality. Unfortunately, a fair amount of people don't look at it in any sort of depth and immediately assume that it is some sort of "other side of the coin" sexist propaganda.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's really easy to climb to the top, when you have people carving out special exemptions for you.
    This is what has been happening for men all along. Why were they not protesting against the unfairness of it? And, it was not just a quota. The exemptions were 100% in their favour. And society is still largely set up to suit them, so they should still have more chance of succeeding than women do, despite the quotas which only make things slightly more fair. If a man it not making it, then there is another reason, besides women.

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    Re: The End of Men

    It's interesting to me that the notion of female superiority or dominance is so attractive to (apparently) so many women. Perhaps that is true of both genders... but I certainly don't see the same push from the male side of things to prove, subtlely or otherwise, that men are better than women in any particular fashion.

    Hell, this article comes straight out and blasts men for being sub-par on communication, sitting still, focus, etc. I would imagine that if the same approach were used 50 years ago but with the genders swapped, there would be incessant cries of bigotry... and rightfully so.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    This is what has been happening for men all along. Why were they not protesting against the unfairness of it? And, it was not just a quota. The exemptions were 100% in their favour. And society is still largely set up to suit them, so they should still have more chance of succeeding than women do, despite the quotas which only make things slightly more fair. If a man it not making it, then there is another reason, besides women.
    Women don't do as well in business because it does not naturally suit a lot of them in the first place.
    You can't change evolution with good intentions.

    Men and women aren't equal, never have been since the beginning.
    Why should we now be expected to be equal when we aren't?
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Caedon View Post
    It's interesting to me that the notion of female superiority or dominance is so attractive to (apparently) so many women. Perhaps that is true of both genders... but I certainly don't see the same push from the male side of things to prove, subtlely or otherwise, that men are better than women in any particular fashion.
    I think that it's the idea of equality more than anything. And just as with any group who is in the minority, they want their day in the sun too. It's understandable. Not that there aren't women who don't love the idea of female superiority. Just read the SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanas for an example of that.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Caedon View Post
    It's interesting to me that the notion of female superiority or dominance is so attractive to (apparently) so many women. Perhaps that is true of both genders... but I certainly don't see the same push from the male side of things to prove, subtlely or otherwise, that men are better than women in any particular fashion.

    Hell, this article comes straight out and blasts men for being sub-par on communication, sitting still, focus, etc. I would imagine that if the same approach were used 50 years ago but with the genders swapped, there would be incessant cries of bigotry... and rightfully so.
    Yea I wish people would get over this crap.
    Chicks doing dick wagging isn't very attractive.

    Maybe one day we'll realize that people are naturally better at some things than others and it won't be a pissing contest of which sexual organs are better.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Women don't do as well in business because it does not naturally suit a lot of them in the first place.
    You can't change evolution with good intentions.
    I'm sorry, but I don't buy the notion that a person having a vagina instead of a penis would make them not do well in business.

    Men and women aren't equal, never have been since the beginning.
    Why should we now be expected to be equal when we aren't?
    They are different biologically, but I fail to see why it is such a big deal to treat them equally in a societal way. They are, after all, human beings as well. Plus, I think the argument of "Well, it's always been that way..so why change it now?" is kind of a cop-out. I think there are a fair amount of men out there who are still enjoying their ride at the top and now that it is slightly threatened they are getting defensive and essentially scared.

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