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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    This is absolute crap. Women of the nobility lived in gilded cages. In fact, the expression gilded cage was likely invented to describe them.
    Would they have traded their position in life for that of any man or women in the peasantry?
    Which accounted for 99% of the population.
    Like or not, no.

    Not to mention that women did have power, even if it was expressed through the male leaders, they could still get things done if they wanted to.
    Hardly the same could be said of anyone in the peasant class.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Let them decide as individuals.
    Not all women have the safety and legislation to protect them as we do. And what women needs is the same all over the world. They need safety, in order to be able to put forward their needs, and stand up for their rights. In the meantime, they depend on those of us who already do have this safety to speak up and make others aware that they have needs that are not being acknowledged.

    ''We don't need this crap about who is better than the other.''
    Glad you think so. Stop doing it then.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh really. Did women in the nobility decide who they would marry? Of course not. Did they have the power to elect representatives to government? Nope. In many societies, their lives were incredibly restricted. They could not even show their faces in public, for the most part.
    Yea, I feel for those chicks in the nobility.
    They had it so much worse than the guy plowing the fields from dawn to dusk.
    Generally being worked to death in order to feed those people.

    How about the guy conscripted in war, yea he had it so good.
    Dieing and all for political reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Take a freaking history class.
    I've taken many, that's why I find your hyperbole and general exaggerations to be ridiculous.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Not all women have the safety and legislation to protect them as we do. And what women needs is the same all over the world. They need safety, in order to be able to put forward their needs, and stand up for their rights. In the meantime, they depend on those of us who already do have this safety to speak up and make others aware that they have needs that are not being acknowledged.
    Women in the first world have it just fine.
    Women and men in the rest of the world, not so much.

    I don't pick a gender to fight for, I think everyone should have a choice in making a good life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    ''We don't need this crap about who is better than the other.''
    Glad you think so. Stop doing it then.
    I wasn't the one who posted an article about women being better than men.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    Not to mention that women did have power, even if it was expressed through the male leaders, they could still get things done if they wanted to.
    Hardly the same could be said of anyone in the peasant class.
    What are you suggesting? That we dont need women leaders? We desperately do need them.
    Men are generally unaware of womens issues, until women highlight them. While I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, I still see the valuable role she is playing by keeping things such as the womens issues in places such as DRC, Afghanistan... in the spotlight. And, it is not just third world hell holes that womens issues need to be highlighted about. For example, there is the unequal gender pay, in all the developed countries.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    What are you suggesting? That we dont need women leaders? We desperately do need them.
    Men are generally unaware of womens issues, until women highlight them. While I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, I still see the valuable role she is playing by keeping things such as the womens issues in places such as DRC, Afghanistan... in the spotlight. And, it is not just third world hell holes that womens issues need to be highlighted about. For example, there is the unequal gender pay, in all the developed countries.
    Women need to work in the same jobs and put in the same hours, in order to get the same pay.

    It's unequal because women don't do the things that guys do in order to earn money.
    Someone even wrote a whole book on the subject with facts and figures proving it.
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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Women need to work in the same jobs and put in the same hours, in order to get the same pay.
    Who's saying otherwise? I work in a male field, put in the same hours, and get the same pay.

    Someone even wrote a whole book on the subject with facts and figures proving it.
    Wow. Impressive research.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Women need to work in the same jobs and put in the same hours, in order to get the same pay.

    It's unequal because women don't do the things that guys do in order to earn money.
    Someone even wrote a whole book on the subject with facts and figures proving it.
    WTF? Since when?

    Look, I'm all about the individual and I don't blame my tits for any lower pay. (quite the opposite, actually *ahem*) I blame individuals for their lack of negotiating skills to get higher pay, regardless of their gender. My pay IS equal to men in my position.

    But to say that women don't do the same work is utter bull****. I've worked in male dominated fields most of my life and I did the same goddamn work the guys did.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Who's saying otherwise? I work in a male field, put in the same hours, and get the same pay.
    Are you sure you get payed the same. Many/most companies have a policy that their employees keep their rate of pay secret from other employees.

    ''Women need to work in the same jobs and put in the same hours, in order to get the same pay.''
    They should be valued and get payed fairly for the jobs that women are more attracted to. Anyway, you are just being unreasonable and refusing to look into the gender issue more. Nobody who cares about human rights could look at that information, and still be dismissive about womens issues, unless (s)he simply does not care, or is irretrivably sexist. Some people are rigidly and immovably sexist and do not want to be any other way.

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    Re: The End of Men

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Would they have traded their position in life for that of any man or women in the peasantry?
    Which accounted for 99% of the population.
    Like or not, no.

    Not to mention that women did have power, even if it was expressed through the male leaders, they could still get things done if they wanted to.
    Hardly the same could be said of anyone in the peasant class.
    What exactly is your point here? It does not count, if something worse can be found? I dont know if this is utter carelessness about women and their rights on your part, or just poor debating skills.

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