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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Obama doesn't want to secure the Arizona border unless he gets something out of it.
    Or because he knows that securing the border wont solve our immigration problem.

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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Or because he knows that securing the border wont solve our immigration problem.

    Nearly Half of Illegal Immigrants Overstay Visas : NPR
    Securing the border of the U.S. is the one duty he must complete - nothing by itself will solve our immigration problem - however, securing the border will be one step towards solving immigration problems, as well as protecting the people who are being killed and kidnapped in our own country. Securing the border is also necessary to uphold our own national security. Holding it hostage for political gain is negligent and irresponsible on Obama's part.
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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Thats the way politics are done in Chicago, why would we expect anything else from the Obama administration. Since the last amnesty was granted by President Regan all American presidents have neglected to do there duty to secure the border. I am ok with Immigration reform with a path to citizenship if it comes with complete border security which must happen first. I would prefer deportation but I doubt that is going to take place, so we compromise, but only on the condition that the border is permanently secured first.
    no need for another amnesty ... anyone notice how ineffective the last one was to curtail illegal immigration
    no need for wasting lots of money to "secure" our borders
    all we need to do is quit incentivizing illegal immigration and enforce existing laws*

    any employer found to have an illegal immigrant in his employment would be subject to a $5,000 fine per infraction
    and the person who notifies INS (now USCIS) of that illegal employee receives the $5,000 for their assistance in enforcing the immigration laws
    while i said existing laws*, we would have to tweak some so that no illegal immigrant could attend a public school, get a drivers license, receive public healthcare (unless at risk of imminent death), or qualify for any form of public assistance
    being without access to work and pubic assistance, that whoosh sound you would hear would be the caravan of vehicles making their way south of the border
    problem solved; and the only expense would be the cost of law enforcement, which cost we already incur
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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Securing the border of the U.S. is the one duty he must complete - nothing by itself will solve our immigration problem - however, securing the border will be one step towards solving immigration problems, as well as protecting the people who are being killed and kidnapped in our own country. Securing the border is also necessary to uphold our own national security. Holding it hostage for political gain is negligent and irresponsible on Obama's part.
    Again, the border is about half the problem. A lot of undocumented immigrants are people who overstay a work or student visa. Securing the border is extremely expensive and I dont see that basically locking down the border will save us enough money to justify doing it.
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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.
    I do recall Americans rising up and telling DC to stop their stupid pursuit of amnesty.

    Bush43 was president.
    McCain was a supporter.

    Republicans (and some others) told them No, no, no...

    Or are we in a parallel universe?


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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I do recall Americans rising up and telling DC to stop their stupid pursuit of amnesty.

    Bush43 was president.
    McCain was a supporter.

    Republicans (and some others) told them No, no, no...

    Or are we in a parallel universe?

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    So, we agree, neither party really wants to deal with this issue as many would like them too?

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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.
    Thats not true. If I remember correctly, Immigration was one of those things that Republicans in general wanted, but Bush was for amnesty. The issue would crop up during his presidency from time to time for a few news cycles and die back down.

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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no need for another amnesty ... anyone notice how ineffective the last one was to curtail illegal immigration
    no need for wasting lots of money to "secure" our borders
    all we need to do is quit incentivizing illegal immigration and enforce existing laws*

    any employer found to have an illegal immigrant in his employment would be subject to a $5,000 fine per infraction
    You don't go far enough... per infraction, and per day.
    and the person who notifies INS (now USCIS) of that illegal employee receives the $5,000 for their assistance in enforcing the immigration laws
    while i said existing laws*, we would have to tweak some so that no illegal immigrant could attend a public school, get a drivers license, receive public healthcare (unless at risk of imminent death), or qualify for any form of public assistance
    being without access to work and pubic assistance, that whoosh sound you would hear would be the caravan of vehicles making their way south of the border
    problem solved; and the only expense would be the cost of law enforcement, which cost we already incur
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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Here's the latest:

    Kyl's a liar according to the White House.


    “The President didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it," White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer told ABC News. "There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system.”
    White House: Senator Kyl Not Telling Truth About Immigration Reform Conversation - Political Punch
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Why the WH won't secure our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, we agree, neither party really wants to deal with this issue as many would like them too?
    Don't doubt there is a degree of truth to what you say. But we shouldn't confuse this with being a "good thing".


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