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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

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    No, the fine is completely unenforceable.

    "However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner."

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    Like you, they didn't read the pertinent portions of the bill.
    Check page two. The section you quoted was changed. What was that about not reading the pertinent portions?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

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    Check page two. The section you quoted was changed. What was that about not reading the pertinent portions?
    Yea yea, even then you can claim financial hardship, which allows you to opt of out penalties.
    Don't you love so many exceptions to rules.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea yea, even then you can claim financial hardship, which allows you to opt of out penalties.
    Don't you love so many exceptions to rules.
    Well, the purpose of the provision is merely to prevent people from gaming the system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for insurance...not to force everyone under the sun to buy insurance without regard to their reasons.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

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    Well, the purpose of the provision is merely to prevent people from gaming the system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for insurance...not to force everyone under the sun to buy insurance without regard to their reasons.
    I still don't see how it prevents gaming, you could sign up for insurance before you file for taxes and use it as a basis to avoid the fines, then dump it after the fact.

    I'd like to see real reform, so far this is some kind of amalgamation of nonsense, with lots of loopholes and excuses.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I still don't see how it prevents gaming, you could sign up for insurance before you file for taxes and use it as a basis to avoid the fines, then dump it after the fact.
    I think most insurance plans (public and private) require a minimum time commitment of at least a year or two. And if not, that scheme might work for the first year, but it wouldn't work after that, assuming that you have to show proof that you were insured throughout the entire year instead of just at the moment you file your taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    I'd like to see real reform, so far this is some kind of amalgamation of nonsense, with lots of loopholes and excuses.
    I don't see how it's an amalgamation of nonsense to grant exemptions to people who have religious objections or have a financial hardship. In the first case, their right to practice their religion trumps the government requirement from a constitutional perspective (or at least, it's a big enough worry that the government doesn't want to screw around with litigating it). In the second case, it would be impractical to fine someone for not having insurance if the reason they didn't have insurance was due to a financial hardship.

    The insurance mandate isn't meant to just dick people over for no reason, it's in place to protect the private health insurance industry, which would collapse if people were able to game the system by waiting to get sick before buying insurance.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

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    You must like sticking your foot in your mouth.
    And yet, it is your side always changing the talking points.

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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea yea, even then you can claim financial hardship, which allows you to opt of out penalties.
    Don't you love so many exceptions to rules.
    The section was changed significantly. They got rid of the word civil, indicating that civil charges were possible. They all spell out more explicitly that it can be enforced.

    The usual way will be through your tax return. If you file a return but didn't have insurance for the year, $695 less will be coming back to you. Most people will be stopped right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I still don't see how it prevents gaming, you could sign up for insurance before you file for taxes and use it as a basis to avoid the fines, then dump it after the fact.

    I'd like to see real reform, so far this is some kind of amalgamation of nonsense, with lots of loopholes and excuses.
    That's not how the mandate works. You can't just sign up for the week you file your return.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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