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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Politics over substance and the good of the country. As this was originally a republican idea, and something that must be if the other reforms are to hold, it is just more siliness.
    I agree. Anyone who doesn't want more federal involvement in health care should support this. Repealing it will completely destroy the private health insurance industry and move nearly EVERYONE onto the federal plan...which would be fine with me, but I'm assuming it wouldn't be fine with the so-called "conservative" crowd.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree. Anyone who doesn't want more federal involvement in health care should support this. Repealing it will completely destroy the private health insurance industry and move nearly EVERYONE onto the federal plan...which would be fine with me, but I'm assuming it wouldn't be fine with the so-called "conservative" crowd.
    The only two options would be no reform or government health care. I'm sure they have a preference, but it may not be what they actually get.

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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    Uh, if it is mandated that everyone must have an insurance plan, and employers are not forced to provide, AND many Americans cannot afford to purchase a plan, or, like my healthy self, they refuse to purchase one, how will we be provided one?

    Not so much a "conspiracy" as it will be a reality.
    I hate to break up the conservative circlejerk that started because of this comment, but you obviously don't understand what the bill actually does. Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how removing the mandate but leaving the pre-existing conditions clause WOULDN'T destroy the industry?
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they can't afford one, they'll be given public assistance to do so. If they just simply refuse to purchase one, then they'll be punished just as they normally would for breaking the law.
    No they won't.

    I'm religiously inclined not to purchase health insurance.
    I get away with it.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No they won't.

    I'm religiously inclined not to purchase health insurance.
    I get away with it.
    Yes, I believe there is an exception in the health insurance mandate for those with religious objections. But not for people who just don't want health insurance. And that's the way it should be, if you want some semblance of private health insurance to survive.

    But hey, if conservatives want to rant about the health insurance mandate and try to get it repealed, I say go for it. The effect will be to completely socialize health care.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, I believe there is an exception in the health insurance mandate for those with religious objections. But not for people who just don't want health insurance. And that's the way it should be, if you want some semblance of private health insurance to survive.
    Ok, well it really doesn't matter even then because they can't enforce it, if you don't pay it.
    It's written in the bill.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok, well it really doesn't matter even then because they can't enforce it, if you don't pay it.
    It's written in the bill.
    They can't pursue criminal charges. That doesn't mean they can't enforce the fine.
    Funny, I had other conservatives trying to argue to me that they'll send you to jail for not having insurance.

    Edit: And if this mandate isn't enforceable, why is everyone on the right freaking out about it? You guys need to get your talking points straightened out!
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They can't pursue criminal charges. That doesn't mean they can't enforce the fine.
    Funny, I had other conservatives trying to argue to me that they'll send you to jail for not having insurance.

    Edit: And if this mandate isn't enforceable, why is everyone on the right freaking out about it? You guys need to get your talking points straightened out!
    That's true. But I think the point is some will argue it anyway other than actually try and figure out what's in the bill and what might work or not work. Which is why the talking points change so quickly.

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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They can't pursue criminal charges. That doesn't mean they can't enforce the fine.
    Funny, I had other conservatives trying to argue to me that they'll send you to jail for not having insurance.
    No, the fine is completely unenforceable.

    "However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Edit: And if this mandate isn't enforceable, why is everyone on the right freaking out about it? You guys need to get your talking points straightened out!
    Like you, they didn't read the pertinent portions of the bill.
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    Re: House shoots down GOP effort to repeal individual insurance mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true. But I think the point is some will argue it anyway other than actually try and figure out what's in the bill and what might work or not work. Which is why the talking points change so quickly.
    You must like sticking your foot in your mouth.
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