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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    What is wrong with people? I don't get the complaints from things like this - at all - and I even loath Obama.
    I see students saying "I can be anything I want to be. A teacher, a lawyer, a firefighter, a judge, a president, anything . . . if my mind can see it and my heart can believe it. . . I know I can achieve it"

    What's WRONG with that?

    So what - their role model is our first black president. Well, damnit, someone's gotta change something. What's your solution to their issues in life? They can't change their skin color. They can't just stand up and convince Mom and Dad to move to a better city or put them in a better school. The only way they can change their life or do better in school is if they *want* to do it.

    Hey - you could give them money and see what that does! But that's controversial.
    So this is in stark contrast to that - and it's still controversial?

    WTF! Don't you WANT them to have an example? To HAVE someone to look up to? A GOAL in life of SOME type? SOMETHING!
    He might not be the greatest president but he's a damn good role model.
    I challenge you to come up with a better way to energize and get possibly some very troubled KIDS heading in the right direction. I think that there's nothing you can think of that would be more meaningful to them and have a more positive and life-altering impact.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    I used to ask students who their role models were. I became discouraged when they said themselves. They were their own role models. There is nothing wrong in admiring a president or a world leader. Beats the hell out Brittney Spears.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What is wrong with people? I don't get the complaints from things like this - at all - and I even loath Obama.
    I see students saying "I can be anything I want to be. A teacher, a lawyer, a firefighter, a judge, a president, anything . . . if my mind can see it and my heart can believe it. . . I know I can achieve it"

    What's WRONG with that?
    There's nothing necessarily wrong with hero worship. However, when compiling this with other incidents it's framed and percieved as teachers telling children to hero worship. This video is not, on it's face, showing that but when viewed with the rest of the video's of songs being taught to kids all over the country praising Obama by name. My problem is not with hero worship but with indocrination of kids at an early age to be taught who to look up to by teachers who should be teaching HOW to be a hero not who to emulate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The second part is I don't hate or detest Obama. I just don't like everything he stands for or believes in. As a person he's probably a great guy, loving husband, doting father and responsible member of society.
    So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So what - their role model is our first black president. Well, damnit, someone's gotta change something. What's your solution to their issues in life? They can't change their skin color. They can't just stand up and convince Mom and Dad to move to a better city or put them in a better school. The only way they can change their life or do better in school is if they *want* to do it.
    School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hey - you could give them money and see what that does! But that's controversial.
    So this is in stark contrast to that - and it's still controversial?
    Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    WTF! Don't you WANT them to have an example? To HAVE someone to look up to? A GOAL in life of SOME type? SOMETHING!
    He might not be the greatest president but he's a damn good role model.
    I challenge you to come up with a better way to energize and get possibly some very troubled KIDS heading in the right direction. I think that there's nothing you can think of that would be more meaningful to them and have a more positive and life-altering impact.
    How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"

    Clarence Thomas
    Condoleeza Rice
    Colin Powell

    Why aren't these three in the mix?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There's nothing necessarily wrong with hero worship. However, when compiling this with other incidents it's framed and percieved as teachers telling children to hero worship. This video is not, on it's face, showing that but when viewed with the rest of the video's of songs being taught to kids all over the country praising Obama by name. My problem is not with hero worship but with indocrination of kids at an early age to be taught who to look up to by teachers who should be teaching HOW to be a hero not who to emulate.

    So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.

    School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.

    Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.

    How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"

    Clarence Thomas
    Condoleeza Rice
    Colin Powell

    Why aren't these three in the mix?
    Obviously this is a matter of perception and this bridge is not going to be crossed. Personally, I don't even see indoctrination, unless I use a very loose definition of the word. I just adults trying to motivate kids to do well in life. As far as which person they mention, the president is currently the most famous and the most likely pick.

    Ultimately though, you mention teaching kids to do the right thing, etc. Emulation is a common form of learning. When I got out of the shower this morning, my two yearold daugher was helping my wife "cook" (even though she was mostly just getting in the way). This is something people naturally do and if the mechanism exists and it helps people be better, than we should use it!

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There's nothing necessarily wrong with hero worship. However, when compiling this with other incidents it's framed and percieved as teachers telling children to hero worship. This video is not, on it's face, showing that but when viewed with the rest of the video's of songs being taught to kids all over the country praising Obama by name. My problem is not with hero worship but with indocrination of kids at an early age to be taught who to look up to by teachers who should be teaching HOW to be a hero not who to emulate.
    Ok - I understand *not* wanting to brainwash kids with the whole 'indoctrination' thing . . . I get that. There are other incidences in which I feel that your view on this SHOULD be applied - and school kids looking up to him is NOT it.

    So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.
    The quote that this is in response to I didn't write - who did?
    I don't support Bush, either, but why do you think it would be so bad for a kid to look up to him, too? I fail to see the problem - if that "looking up to him" would further them in school and in life is it really such a horrid thing? Remember - they're not emulating every thing Obama says and does in his presidency and life. They're using his success as a positive example that "I can do that if I want . . . I can do anything that I put my mind to"
    My oldest son is dealing with cultural and race identity issues and if him looking up to Obama or Bush would help him with that and keep him from feeling like the odd-man out then I'm all forth it.

    School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.
    Well you know what - news flash - it IS. Students spend MORE time in school than they do awake at HOME and hanging out with their friends. Whether you like it or not it IS a main source of cultural, social and educational influence in their lives. Everything they need to know they will learn HERE. Education isn't JUST 123's and ABC's - education is life, how to live it and how to cope with the world.

    If you believe that so strongly then go tell that to these kids.
    Tell them "school isn't here to fix your problems" and "school is only here to provide you a basis in learning." and "skin color and a black president are irrelevant"
    Tell that to them and totally **** up their focus and **** up a direction that some of them have - which they might not have had before.

    You think it's "indoctrination" and it's really just trying to find *some ONE thing* that will get just a handful of these kids off the streets, out of trouble, into class and headed in teh right direction in life.
    I'll tell you what's indoctrination = LA schools taking their students into Arizona to protest Arizona's SB1070 . . see the huge difference, there?

    Odds are - for some of these students - their time in school is the only time at which they're influenced by something that's socially acceptable, will be positive in their life, or is important rather than video games and loitering.

    Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.
    Don't play the "I don't know what you're referring to" card. You got my point.
    "Looking up to the president as a role model in order to do good in school" VS.
    "Being paid to do well in school with a bi weekly paycheck based on attendence or books read."

    Of these two things which one do you think would be MORE meaningful and MORE long term - more beneficial and likely something that might actually change their lives FOREVER. Getting paid some cash only lasts as long as the cash is there - getting someone to believe that there's more to them then just their skin color is priceless. . . and a white person just can't convince a black kid to feel differently. Sorry - but we don't have that kind of sway.

    How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"
    "Do the right thing - show them how to apply . . ."
    You have to get them to pay attention FIRST in order to LEARN . . . and then you can teach them how to apply it . . . and then you can tell them that they should think for theirselves.
    If Obama as a role model gets them to want to come to school, again, is it REALLY that bad?

    Clarence Thomas
    Condoleeza Rice
    Colin Powell

    Why aren't these three in the mix?
    Who says they aren't?
    When I took a series of cultural influence courses in school (before Obama was even "known") these WERE the three main influences.

    They finally have a role model who's in politics - who's respected and has strong, positive presence in their lives and you're reply is "why don't they look up to Condoleeza Rice" ??? Gee - They'd still be emulating and worshiping Ice-T, P-Diddy and the freaking Wu-Tang-Clan if you had your way
    Would that matter to you, anyway? No, it wouldn't. Even if they looked up to every successful political minority out there - as long as it's political, to you, it's unacceptable because it equals indoctrination.

    Now - kowtow to your paranoia or continue my support of kids lookign up to a successful political figure instead of a rapist, raper, or thug? Gee - I think my feelings are obvious as to what I consider to be a reasonable role model and what I don't.

    Sorry that their scope of black role models who are successful doesn't include every black out there But when it comes to giving kids a new direction in life you do what you can do - and be thrilled when something works.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    I mean aside from the fact that they have a black power Muzzie leading a chant I wouldn't have a problem with it but to add in that bit of political indoctrination is just over the top.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thinking his cult of personality claim is paranoid is trolling now?
    Considering that this was a clear cut case of political indoctrination in the classroom, yes you are trolling.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    See, that's the only part of it I don't like. Public school indoctrination is going to create the next generation of welfare losers.

    Enjoy community college.
    Without getting too far off topic, could you clarify what you mean by 'enjoy community college'
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    2 years after we get a new president, many of those kids won't even know who Obama is...
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    Or maybe people are concerned that schools are teaching kids in an un-objective manner. Tell me, since when has "I am a <insert president name> scholar" formed a necessary part of a child's curriculum?


    All joking aside, I don't have an issue with the central idea of the message that if you put your mind to something, you can achieve it. However, if political ideals are attached they are out of place.
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