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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    I would say that this is political indoctrination of children surrounding a cult of personality that others have towards Obama. This sort of thing is not equal to dictators and their cults of personality because they are the ones who are exalting themselves and the citizens typically buy into the propaganda. It would raise suspicion if Obama was telling kids to do this and erecting statues and monuments of himself everywhere, but that isn't happening. It isn't Obama's fault that some school teacher worships him and wants to indoctrinate children. I do think this sort of thing should be stopped though.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think that considering we are a democracy where there is choice as to what idealogy one wants to support, it does kinda impress and indoctrinate young minds to a singular idealogy when they are made to chant and exalt a political leader. There are so many apolitical people that could have revered in such a way that might not spark so much protest from outsiders looking in.

    I admit that I am somewhat inflamed and my concern is raised by situations like this. And it would be one thing if this were isolated but it's not.
    Yeah. I just don't see the exhaultation here. In looking at the video, I noticed a few things.
    1. There are way too many adults in there for a typical classroom. How do we know this isn't a boy and girls club or something.
    2. If they were exhaulting Obama, they would be talking about Obama. The word most often used in there was "I" and the subject was most often about the students themselves
    3. Several professions were mentioned, there were professions mentioned that Obama did not have and the word community organizer was not mentioned
    4. I see no mention of Obama's philosophy, party, ideology, or etc.

    Overall, this is a "yes I can" motivational moment that seems designed to encourage these people to make something out of themselves in life. I very much support those sorts of efforts as they are very much needed in areas where success isn't as easy to come by as it is in the typical suburb or better. People have to believe that they can make something of themselves before they are going to ever try. While it does mention Obama, it mentions him as if he were a role model. I see no problem with that either, it is typical to look at successful people as role models. Besides, Obama is in the news all the time and he is quite famous and well known. I very much doubt most of those kids know who Clarence Thomas or Michael Steele is.

    Also, why do you not think this thing is isolated?

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would say that this is political indoctrination of children surrounding a cult of personality that others have towards Obama. This sort of thing is not equal to dictators and their cults of personality because they are the ones who are exalting themselves and the citizens typically buy into the propaganda. It would raise suspicion if Obama was telling kids to do this and erecting statues and monuments of himself everywhere, but that isn't happening. It isn't Obama's fault that some school teacher worships him and wants to indoctrinate children. I do think this sort of thing should be stopped though.
    I would not call it a cult of personality. I think that is an exaggeration. It was a bad decision by the teacher, and I think motivated by the talk Obama did(that generated such controversy among the far right) for school kids.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, that is indoctrination.
    So, we've bene doing it for ever, and it isn't new?

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    I think it's rather disconcerting that a teacher would try to indoctrinate their students like that. However, I think a much more absurd picture is being painted here as if Obama and his evil minions are behind this kind of stuff. Why not blame the teacher? Well, then it becomes an isolated incident and it's not as interesting. Also, where were similar calls of outrage when people saw stuff like this:


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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would not call it a cult of personality. I think that is an exaggeration. It was a bad decision by the teacher, and I think motivated by the talk Obama did(that generated such controversy among the far right) for school kids.
    I would say it's an unhealthy godlike image of Obama held by the teacher and propagated to the students. These people do exist, I see them all the time. However, that is due to the ignorance and blind faith that some put into Obama. However, this isn't Obama's fault and it doesn't make him like a Stalin or other dictator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I think it's rather disconcerting that a teacher would try to indoctrinate their students like that. However, I think a much more absurd picture is being painted here as if Obama and his evil minions are behind this kind of stuff. Why not blame the teacher? Well, then it becomes an isolated incident and it's not as interesting. Also, where were similar calls of outrage when people saw stuff like this:

    There is a difference between the two. A Jesus camp is private and can say what they want. No kids are forced to go either. Assuming that the Obama praise video was made in a public school, the difference is that tax dollars are going into indoctrinating children politically. Kids are forced to be in school, and public schools are institutions of the state that exist for educating and not propagating politics.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    There is a difference between the two. A Jesus camp is private and can say what they want. No kids are forced to go either. Assuming that the Obama praise video was made in a public school, the difference is that tax dollars are going into indoctrinating children politically. Kids are forced to be in school, and public schools are institutions of the state that exist for educating and not propagating politics.
    I see what you are saying, but I think a lot of the outrage coming from the right about this particular incident has to do more with paranoia and conspiracy theory crap. Because if you look at it logically the only person to blame here is the teacher for indoctrinating their students. The video I posted was addressing the paranoia crowd.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I see what you are saying, but I think a lot of the outrage coming from the right about this particular incident has to do more with paranoia and conspiracy theory crap. Because if you look at it logically the only person to blame here is the teacher for indoctrinating their students. The video I posted was addressing the paranoia crowd.
    I agree. I think the right wants to blame Obama for everything and desperately want to cast him as a socialist dictator. Obama had nothing to do with this and all of it had to do with the teacher. In essence they are propagating a message of fear using propaganda used to propagate pupils in the public classroom Almost similar to what the teacher did in the first place. Hypocrisy is an ironic and funny thing.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would say it's an unhealthy godlike image of Obama held by the teacher and propagated to the students. These people do exist, I see them all the time. However, that is due to the ignorance and blind faith that some put into Obama. However, this isn't Obama's fault and it doesn't make him like a Stalin or other dictator.
    It was a tiny part of the overall(very positive) thing. I again think it was in reference to Obama talking to school kids about achievement, and that Obama is the most successful black man so far in this country(and the kids and teacher where all black), so the teacher was holding him up as a model for achievement. I do think it was a mistake on the teacher's part, as it was bound to cause controversy, but I don't think it was an attempt to indoctrinate the kids into anything other than the idea that they can be anything they want to be. Take out that one sentence and it is simply put a very positive, very appropriate, very good message for those kids.

    There is a difference between the two. A Jesus camp is private and can say what they want. No kids are forced to go either. Assuming that the Obama praise video was made in a public school, the difference is that tax dollars are going into indoctrinating children politically. Kids are forced to be in school, and public schools are institutions of the state that exist for educating and not propagating politics.
    Just to make the point, is this for sure a public school?
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And what are they being taught to think in this case?
    To be like and emulate a sitting President. Instead, they should be told to be themselves, and to think for themselves. You don't seem to want to discuss the obvious issue of school choice or parental involvement - but hope for some partisan statement or mistake. Amirightoramiright?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    Just to make the point, is this for sure a public school?
    Yep. My info says this is the Lincoln-Bassett School in New Haven CT.

    http://www.greatschools.org/connecti...assett-School/
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