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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    All joking aside, I don't have an issue with the central idea of the message that if you put your mind to something, you can achieve it. However, if political ideals are attached they are out of place.
    Ignoring the Godwin, where in the OP video do the kids espouse a political ideal? Minute and Second mark please.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ultimately though, you mention teaching kids to do the right thing, etc. Emulation is a common form of learning. When I got out of the shower this morning, my two yearold daugher was helping my wife "cook" (even though she was mostly just getting in the way). This is something people naturally do and if the mechanism exists and it helps people be better, than we should use it!
    Your daughter emulating your wife is exactly how growing up is supposed to be (in a perfect world). At very young ages we all emulate the adults around us for good or bad especially at 2 years old. Once we get to 5-12 years old though, we're mostly at school and our teachers play a very important part in how we grow up. If those teachers decided to use The Son of Sam for example (outrageous but I meant it that way) and indoctrinated those children into viewing the Son of Sam as a role model to emulate would kids necessarily know that was a bad thing? Of course not, so we (society) trust our teachers to be teaching, not indoctrinating.

    Yes perception has a lot to do with it, but I don't want a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat to have small children make up songs about them. They should be, in my opinion, learning a structure to make up their own minds as to who they admire --- not be told who to admire or emulate.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The quote that this is in response to I didn't write - who did?
    I misplaced the quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't support Bush, either, but why do you think it would be so bad for a kid to look up to him, too?
    I have a problem with schools or teachers TELLING kids who to look up to. If they do it on their own, that's fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well you know what - news flash - it IS.
    Than this is an indication of a problem in parenting and a failure in school curicula. Because kids spend more time at school than at home does NOT excuse mommy and daddy or give teachers a by proxy parenting role.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Students spend MORE time in school than they do awake at HOME and hanging out with their friends. Whether you like it or not it IS a main source of cultural, social and educational influence in their lives. Everything they need to know they will learn HERE. Education isn't JUST 123's and ABC's - education is life, how to live it and how to cope with the world.
    Education can take many forms, teachers should and must keep to 123's and ABC's. Kids certainly learn social, cultural and sexual norms simply by being with other kids. School is NOT teaching how to cope with the world and if it is, I think you'd then agree, part of that is through indoctrination.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If you believe that so strongly then go tell that to these kids.
    Better yet, I tell my own school board. Don't know where you live but where I live - our K-6 does not provide ready made role models nor create songs about popular people. They're taught basics. I've already shared my views with many at the school and I've yet to recieve much push back - wether or not that's out of politeness or due to agreement I have no idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Tell them "school isn't here to fix your problems" and "school is only here to provide you a basis in learning." and "skin color and a black president are irrelevant"
    I'll make sure to the next time I'm up there. What's the probleem with letting kids formulate their own hero's? And yes, schools do not fix your problems and the skin color of a President IS in fact, irrelevant. White or Black it makes no difference - they're the President.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You think it's "indoctrination" and it's really just trying to find *some ONE thing* that will get just a handful of these kids off the streets, out of trouble, into class and headed in teh right direction in life.
    There are many things that can help. Parents, friends, family, police, social groups, church, government programs... There are many "ONE things" and school indoctrination shouldn't be one of them. Remember, indoctrination isn't one on one, it's group think.



    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'll tell you what's indoctrination = LA schools taking their students into Arizona to protest Arizona's SB1070 . . see the huge difference, there?
    Yes I agree, and no I don't see the difference. How old are the LA students? How old are the mmm mmm mm kids? And those kids by the way, live within 8 miles of me, but are not in my school district.



    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Don't play the "I don't know what you're referring to" card. You got my point.
    First, I don't play - so clarify. If I knew what you meant I would respond to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    "Looking up to the president as a role model in order to do good in school" VS.
    "Being paid to do well in school with a bi weekly paycheck based on attendence or books read."
    I see little value in either scenario. Let kids learn and make up their own minds who they like, admire and want to emulate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    "Do the right thing - show them how to apply . . ."
    You have to get them to pay attention FIRST in order to LEARN . . . and then you can teach them how to apply it . . . and then you can tell them that they should think for theirselves.
    And indoctrination nor hero worship helps them pay attention...


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If Obama as a role model gets them to want to come to school, again, is it REALLY that bad?
    If the kid comes up with it themselves, no. If they're told or taught to sing the praises of a specific person as a group at a young age before they know or can formulate their own opinions about who they admire - yes, it's REALLY that bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They finally have a role model who's in politics - who's respected and has strong, positive presence in their lives and you're reply is "why don't they look up to Condoleeza Rice" ??? Gee - They'd still be emulating and worshiping Ice-T, P-Diddy and the freaking Wu-Tang-Clan if you had your way
    You're seriously comparing Condoleeza Rice with Ice-T, P-Diddy and the Wu-Tang-Clan?


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Would that matter to you, anyway? No, it wouldn't. Even if they looked up to every successful political minority out there - as long as it's political, to you, it's unacceptable because it equals indoctrination.
    Any indoctrination at all, political or not is unacceptable. Is this getting through or will I be required to answer another 100 lines of the same thing over and over?


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Now - kowtow to your paranoia or continue my support of kids lookign up to a successful political figure instead of a rapist, raper, or thug? Gee - I think my feelings are obvious as to what I consider to be a reasonable role model and what I don't.
    Please... the ad hominem is boring.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Sorry that their scope of black role models who are successful doesn't include every black out there But when it comes to giving kids a new direction in life you do what you can do - and be thrilled when something works.
    Sorry you can't be honest with yourself nor can you see the trees through the forest. Discussing this with you is like discussing evolution with an evangalist. Apparently you have some axe to grind or perhaps you were or are an educator of some sort and this is a preferred method of teaching? Either way, here's the bottom line:

    No teacher, should be indoctrinating ANY kids, for ANY reason in ANY school. School is there to teach, not help kids "cope with life". Get it? You're view of education is akin to brainwashing. It's dangerous, irresponsible and negligent. Were you a teacher where my child went to school I'd all possible means to have you removed.

    You want to continue or have the last word - go for it. I think you know where I stand on the issue. Have a nice day!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Your daughter emulating your wife is exactly how growing up is supposed to be (in a perfect world). At very young ages we all emulate the adults around us for good or bad especially at 2 years old. Once we get to 5-12 years old though, we're mostly at school and our teachers play a very important part in how we grow up. If those teachers decided to use The Son of Sam for example (outrageous but I meant it that way) and indoctrinated those children into viewing the Son of Sam as a role model to emulate would kids necessarily know that was a bad thing? Of course not, so we (society) trust our teachers to be teaching, not indoctrinating.

    Yes perception has a lot to do with it, but I don't want a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat to have small children make up songs about them. They should be, in my opinion, learning a structure to make up their own minds as to who they admire --- not be told who to admire or emulate.
    They may or may not regardless of what you want. The point is, and the question has bene asked, where is the political indoctrination? Most seem ok with the message here, so exactly where is the problem areas?

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    What does "I'm a Obama scholar" mean?

    I'd suggest it means they learned alot about Obama and the Office of the President.
    Last edited by winston53660; 06-18-10 at 03:54 PM.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    I see things differently - I feel that *through* school is the only way that some kids are exposed to broader horizons and a new thought process - if their family is crap, friends are wash, and everyone else in their life is a letdown . . . a teacher at school is all they have.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What does "I'm a Obama scholar" mean?

    I'd suggest it means they learned alot Obama and the Office of the President.
    It means you're taking his meassage of needing an education to heart. Learning is not political to my knowledge, unless you're trying to argue only liberals are educated. I don't believe that, do you?

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It means you're taking his meassage of needing an education to heart. Learning is not political to my knowledge, unless you're trying to argue only liberals are educated. I don't believe that, do you?
    They could sing I'm a Nixon scholar for all I care. I think a much bigger deal is being made out this than need be.

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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It means you're taking his meassage of needing an education to heart. Learning is not political to my knowledge, unless you're trying to argue only liberals are educated. I don't believe that, do you?
    This is what I think the intent was. I think it was worded poorly, and has become a big deal to a few people and now taking away from a very positive overall message.
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    Re: School Kids Chant: "I Am An Obama Scholar"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what I think the intent was. I think it was worded poorly, and has become a big deal to a few people and now taking away from a very positive overall message.
    And we didn't used to make these thinngs into a big deal. Leaders were used to inspire, and linked to such positive efforts. I think today people are just too willing to be silly and try to make everything something it isn't.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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