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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No they don't. . . the oil companies don't give a flying **** about anyone - I think it's obviously, now. . . they only pretend to care when something happens and they lose money.
    You may have a point about whether, or not they, "care", about the little folks. However, they do alot better job at taking care of the little folks than the government does. The government only cares when votes are on the line. If I had to choose between a politician and a fat cat CEO, I'll take the fat cat CEO anyday. At least the CEO doesn't win anything by putting me out of work. If the politician puts me out of work, then he gets to look like the big hero when he gives me my welfare check and tell people about how compationate he is. Why do you think Obama has milked this oil slick like he has. Because he, "cares"? I'm not feellin' the love.

    The government can't create jobs nor wealth. The oil companies can.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That's just twisted.... you actually think a foreign company cares about "the little people"? That just sounds wrong / naive to me.

    I guess this is all an argument about which is the greater evil, big government or big business. Given that the nature of a company in a free enterprise system is to maximize revenue and minimize cost, whereas in minimizing costs in an unchecked environment it tends toward exploitation versus the government, which is comprised of elected officials whose job it is to serve their specific constituencies (though, if left unchecked it tends toward corruption), I think of government as a lesser evil than big business, simply because the check is more tangible.
    The government exists to protect the little folks, in some cases from big business. Who is going to protect the little folks from big government? When the president misuses his authority to shakedown a private company and put a half million people out of work, who do we complain to? The answer to that is, nobody.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you didn't. And I for one think we should have. But if you think this compaining is going to hurt the president, it is nothing compared to what he'd have seen had he not helped the banks, and especially the auto industry, which would have had an even larger effect.

    And stupidity is not limited to any one party.
    If the oil and gas industry is shut down, the union bailouts will look like a lemonade stand getting blown over in a rains storm.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    What I guess the left doesn't realize is how much royalty revenue the gov't recieves each year. If you shut down drilling, you're shooting yourself in the foot. For a gov't thats up to its upstairs neighbors eyeballs in debt eliminating one large source of revenue for yourself isn't the smartest idea in the world. Of course not much Obama has done could remotely be considered smart! LOL

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You may have a point about whether, or not they, "care", about the little folks. However, they do alot better job at taking care of the little folks than the government does. The government only cares when votes are on the line. If I had to choose between a politician and a fat cat CEO, I'll take the fat cat CEO anyday. At least the CEO doesn't win anything by putting me out of work. If the politician puts me out of work, then he gets to look like the big hero when he gives me my welfare check and tell people about how compationate he is. Why do you think Obama has milked this oil slick like he has. Because he, "cares"? I'm not feellin' the love.

    The government can't create jobs nor wealth. The oil companies can.
    This is true - it is not the purpose of the government to guarantee employment or your wealth, I agree with that.
    That is the partial purpose of the business.

    But don't forget that the bottom line for a business is to make PROFIT - and if you being there in some fashoin hinders PROFIT or if the company isn't making their desired net PROFITS - you wil go.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This is true - it is not the purpose of the government to guarantee employment or your wealth, I agree with that.
    That is the partial purpose of the business.

    But don't forget that the bottom line for a business is to make PROFIT - and if you being there in some fashoin hinders PROFIT or if the company isn't making their desired net PROFITS - you wil go.
    This is true, although I've always been an employee that made the company money, rather than someone who just drew a paycheck every friday. I've always believed that, in the workplace, people make their own luck. In most cases, people get fired because they're not making the company money. And, in a healthy job market, when I get fired, I'll just go get another job. The same can't be said when the government kills the industry you work in; especially when they don't have the first damn clue what their going to do to replace those jobs.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the oil and gas industry is shut down, the union bailouts will look like a lemonade stand getting blown over in a rains storm.
    And what will the consequences of another mistake be? All choices have consequences.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The government exists to protect the little folks, in some cases from big business. Who is going to protect the little folks from big government? When the president misuses his authority to shakedown a private company and put a half million people out of work, who do we complain to? The answer to that is, nobody.
    "Shakedown a private company" ... your joking, right?

    There is a liability here of serious magnitude. If your country did nothing to protect the interests of the harmed party and BP later chose to file a Chapter XI, there would be outrage. (BTW, BP is contributing $20B over 4 years, so they still can hide behind an Chapter XI) They are going to owe a ton of money. Contrary to the idiocy of a Rush Limbaugh diatribe, this is actually an example of your government and BP doing the right thing. Guys like Limbaugh are paid to tell you your Democratic leaders do nothing right and everything wrong, but actually believing that serious politicians can't do anything right is intellectually dishonest.

    You may not like the approach, but its no "shakedown". This was negotiated between the government and BP attorney's long before last week. BP is certainly capable of playing hardball had they chose.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is true, although I've always been an employee that made the company money, rather than someone who just drew a paycheck every friday. I've always believed that, in the workplace, people make their own luck. In most cases, people get fired because they're not making the company money. And, in a healthy job market, when I get fired, I'll just go get another job. The same can't be said when the government kills the industry you work in; especially when they don't have the first damn clue what their going to do to replace those jobs.
    Well - the destruction of a large, viable company can't be simple and easy to stage.

    The auto-industry had it's own strong hand in slowly doing itself in. In my opinion it built itself TOO BIG to maintain. They had to push "sell sell sell" - as well as immoral money schemes, mind games and other such practices to convince or slide a person into purchasing a vehicle that they didn't need, couldn't afford - and so on. . . with little to no flashback danger.
    Quality and dependability began to slip, as well - a lot of people took avid note of that.

    It was their own stuffy attitude and slow decision to modernize and improve that lost their market to more affordable and better built imports.

    The government also made it easier to shove their employment off to other countries - which furthered the downward spiral of poor quality and lackluster dependability. Right here someone might be tempted to say "and government kept making regulations more and more strict" - but to that I'd say that if they hadn't of already screwed theirselves over they would have been able to adapt. . . if they looked at it seriously then they could have ended up far better off.

    So it was a hand-shake of an undoing - government played partial responsibility but the auto-industry set itself up for failure.

    Since autos are one of the most expensive items to purchase - and go in debt for - it was inevitable that if we had a financial-crisis new purchases of new vehicles that weren't necessity would drop dramatically.

    If a lot of companies who failed had actually centered around a better business-plan they would have survived.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    When a plane crashes you don't shut down all the airlines while you investigate the cause.
    Sure you do, when you discover that key aviation safety components that should have been installed and functional on every plane before leaving the factory were not.


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