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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The first step, is to figur out how the well blew out, which no one really knows.
    So in the meantime, let's keep drilling?

    We don't know why the accident happened, but let's keep flying the same model planes from the same factory. lol.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    James, dude, ok man, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. Not sure why, maybe because you lean right so you have a chance at coming around.

    First of all, we gotta have crude. Our nation runs on it. We either suck it out of our own GOM, out of shale, or from our wonderful friends and neighbors such as Iran and Venezuela. By you stopping drilling, you are literally helping the terrorist nations tremendously and hurting our nation tremendously. You are making us have to buy that much more oil from nations that basically want us all dead AND NOT ONLY THAT, but you're putting tens of thousands of Americans out of work. Maybe you don't give a **** about them, but I do.

    I know you don't know this as you don't live on the Gulf coast, but with hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Gustav and Ike HUNDREDS of platforms were knocked into the gulf, destroyed. NOT A SINGLE ONE LEAKED!! EVERY SINGLE SAFETY SHUTOFF VALVE WORKED AS DESIGNED! Why did you not hear about it? Because when something works as designed it typically doesn't make the 6'oclock news.

    Banning offshore drilling is the most imbecilic thing Bobo could have done. He just shows his ignorance and cluelessness and lack of leadership every time he opens his mouth. But hey, he was a community organizer from Chicago, how much do you expect him to know about drilling in the Gulf? About as much as he's demonstrated he knows.
    I would rather buy oil for Iran and Valenzuela than to turn the Gulf of Mexico into a cesspool that kills the fishing and tourism industry and anyone one else whose livelihood gets destroyed because of that leak. I am all for drilling for oil just as long as the leaks can be closed in a timely manner, an emergency shut off valve is not always going to work. If another leak like BP's happen and they can fix it within a couple of days to a week then sure let them do deep offshore oil drilling.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    You seem overly concerned about the tourism industry. Tourism south of New Orleans isn't too much. However, quite a few people in Louisiana depend on the drilling in the Gulf for their jobs. It seems like you're picking and choosing who counts and who doesn't. You're worried about some ****ing fish and non-existent tourism in the Mississippi delta and I'm worried about the 30,000 people who will be out of work very soon if this drilling ban isn't lifted. Tourists can go somewhere else, we can't. This is our state. This is all we have.

    It goes WAY past just the drillers. There are catering people, crew boats, helicopter companies, hosts of companies that depend on drilling, indirectly or directly.

    Obama has no clue what he's doing. Why didn't he ban airline flights when the last airliner went down? He needs to worry about our porous border rather than oil in the Gulf. He has no idea how to fix it, BP is doing what they can. Maybe he can take some ideas from Imanutjob, since he wants to meet with him so badly. Iran is run on oil revenue, maybe they know how to stop it.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So in the meantime, let's keep drilling?

    We don't know why the accident happened, but let's keep flying the same model planes from the same factory. lol.
    Who said anything about using the same model? You do know that not all drilling equipment are the same. Right? There are different designs, manufacturers, etc. I don't ever recall saying that we should keep on drilling using the same broke dick tools that were used on the Horizon.

    Cooper-Cameron built the BOP that was used on the Horizon. FMC builds a find deepwater BOP and as far as I can tell, have never had one fail. I could be mistaken on that point. However, the point is, it wouldn't be using the same model. Actually, I'm flabbergasted that no one is questioning why the BOP failed. That's where the real investigation needs to begin. I reckon that would take some of the heat off BP and we just can't have that.

    I'm not convinced that the accoustic shutoffs are a grand idea, but I say give them a try. Some folks seem to think that's the neatest thing since sliced bread. So, what the hell? That wouldn't be using the same model, either.

    One thing's for sure, though, we sure as hell don't want to respond to the next oil spill with the same model of leadership that was present on this one.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    You seem overly concerned about the tourism industry. Tourism south of New Orleans isn't too much. However, quite a few people in Louisiana depend on the drilling in the Gulf for their jobs. It seems like you're picking and choosing who counts and who doesn't. You're worried about some ****ing fish and non-existent tourism in the Mississippi delta and I'm worried about the 30,000 people who will be out of work very soon if this drilling ban isn't lifted. Tourists can go somewhere else, we can't. This is our state. This is all we have.

    It goes WAY past just the drillers. There are catering people, crew boats, helicopter companies, hosts of companies that depend on drilling, indirectly or directly.

    Obama has no clue what he's doing. Why didn't he ban airline flights when the last airliner went down? He needs to worry about our porous border rather than oil in the Gulf. He has no idea how to fix it, BP is doing what they can. Maybe he can take some ideas from Imanutjob, since he wants to meet with him so badly. Iran is run on oil revenue, maybe they know how to stop it.
    They don't give a ****. The treehuggers think that a miracle energy source is being stored in the basement of the White House and Obama is going to unveil it any day now.

    And jobs? The oil companies were making Obama look like an asshole. They were doing something that a year and a half and trillion dollars later, he still can't do...create jobs, generate revenue. They're not worried about losing 25% of our total intake and shipping that money overseas, nor the $6 billion+ in revenue that the oil and gas industry creates from royalties alone; not to mention the tax revenue generated from all those people being employed and making above average salaries, thereby paying above average taxes. It's all good, Obama's going to pass another stimulus and make everything better.

    "Never let a crisis go to waste".
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    You seem overly concerned about the tourism industry. Tourism south of New Orleans isn't too much.
    Those are not the only places tourist go to that is affect by the oil leak.

    . However, quite a few people in Louisiana depend on the drilling in the Gulf for their jobs.
    Quite a few people in the gulf coast states depend on fishing and tourism.

    It seems like you're picking and choosing who counts and who doesn't.
    Until they can fix deep off shore oil leaks their jobs do not count. They can find work doing something else like oil clean up until these oil companies can figure out how to fix a leak in a timely manner.

    You're worried about some ****ing fish
    There is also shrimp and other things people like to eat.

    and non-existent tourism in the Mississippi delta
    That is not the only place tourist go to.


    and I'm worried about the 30,000 people who will be out of work very soon if this drilling ban isn't lifted.
    Seeing how it will take 20-30 years to clean up all that oil those people will have jobs unless they are snagged by the fishermen and other peoples whose livelihood was lost because of the leak.

    Tourists can go somewhere else, we can't. This is our state. This is all we have.
    Your state is not the only gulf state. It is not just Louisiana being affect by this oil leak.

    It goes WAY past just the drillers. There are catering people, crew boats, helicopter companies, hosts of companies that depend on drilling, indirectly or directly.
    There are people all over the gulf coast who depend on fishing and tourist directly and indirectly.

    Obama has no clue what he's doing.
    Last I checked it wasn't OBama's job to clean **** up. That would the main responsibility of BP, then it would be the states and then if they can't handle they declare a state of emergency and it becomes part of the responsibility of what ever federal agencies whose job description it is to handle those things. This bashing Obama over the oil disaster is nothing more than payback for all the stupid ass libs who bashed Bush over Hurricane Katrina.

    Why didn't he ban airline flights when the last airliner went down?
    Has a plane wreck caused miles of damage?

    He needs to worry about our porous border rather than oil in the Gulf.
    He needs to worry about both.

    He has no idea how to fix it,
    Why would he know how to fix a oil leak and why should he know that? It is the BPs responsibility to fix it, not Obama's.

    Iran is run on oil revenue, maybe they know how to stop it
    Perhaps they do, it doesn't hurt to let them help.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those are not the only places tourist go to that is affect by the oil leak.
    So? What's so big about tourism anyway? Name the big tourism beaches that have been shut down due to this oil spill.
    Quite a few people in the gulf coast states depend on fishing and tourism.

    And 99% of those fisherman are in Louisiana and WANT the drilling to continue. And quite a few people in the gulf states depend on oil drilling.

    Until they can fix deep off shore oil leaks their jobs do not count. They can find work doing something else like oil clean up until these oil companies can figure out how to fix a leak in a timely manner.

    Ok, so what you're saying is a company that has never had a blowout, oil leak, etc is punished by BP's behavior. Gotcha. I don't think you're very conservative.

    There is also shrimp and other things people like to eat.

    Obama himself declared seafood coming out of the Gulf safe to eat.
    That is not the only place tourist go to.

    Ok, point?
    Seeing how it will take 20-30 years to clean up all that oil those people will have jobs unless they are snagged by the fishermen and other peoples whose livelihood was lost because of the leak.

    You must be joking. You think BP is going to hire the 30,000 people that will be out of work to clean up the oil for the next 3 decades? You can't be this stupid. You MUST be joking.
    Your state is not the only gulf state. It is not just Louisiana being affect by this oil leak.

    No, it's not. Point?

    There are people all over the gulf coast who depend on fishing and tourist directly and indirectly.

    There sure is. And I'm not saying anyone should stop their touring or fishing. Stopping drilling won't help. It will hurt FAR more than it will help.

    Last I checked it wasn't OBama's job to clean **** up. That would the main responsibility of BP, then it would be the states and then if they can't handle they declare a state of emergency and it becomes part of the responsibility of what ever federal agencies whose job description it is to handle those things. This bashing Obama over the oil disaster is nothing more than payback for all the stupid ass libs who bashed Bush over Hurricane Katrina.

    No, I'm bashing Obama because he keeps sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. You ever heard the saying, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way?" Well Obama needs to choose one of them.
    Has a plane wreck caused miles of damage?

    No, but 50 people died the last time. 400 in the TWA disaster. Only 11 died in this disaster. Are we valuing human jobs over lives?


    He needs to worry about both.
    He needs to shut up. That would be benefit him the most.

    Why would he know how to fix a oil leak and why should he know that? It is the BPs responsibility to fix it, not Obama's.

    Ok, then let them do their job. You punish them too badly they could just declare bankruptcy and then what? You can't get blood from a turnip. Why did Bobo turn down the help from the 11 nations that offered it?
    Perhaps they do, it doesn't hurt to let them help.
    Oh I know, I mean let's let Iran help us clean up our own oil. That makes sense. I'd sure like to know what issues you are "very conservative" about. You sound like the biggest lib on this forum.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Quite a few people in the gulf coast states depend on fishing and tourism.
    And, most of those fishermen depend on oilfield dollars to purchase their seafood.

    1) A shrimper in Venice catches shrimp

    2) A resturant in Houma, or Lafayette buys the shrimp.

    3) Most of the people who patron the resurant make their living in the oilfield.

    See the trickle?
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    So? What's so big about tourism anyway?
    Tourism brings in revenue. No will want to go to the beach if there oil in it or it smells like oil.

    Name the big tourism beaches that have been shut down due to this oil spill.
    The oil is still traveling, give it time.


    And 99% of those people are in Louisiana and WANT the drilling to continue. And quite a few people in the gulf states depend on oil drilling.
    The people in Louisiana do not own the Gulf of Mexico nor are the only ones who use it.

    Ok, so what you're saying is a company that has never had a blowout, oil leak, etc is punished by BP's behavior.
    Logic tells me that if they have not fixed the leak in a timely manner then it is a good idea to cease drilling operations until the can fix leak like that in a timely manner.

    I don't think you're very conservative.
    Why? Because I do not think it is worth risking the Gulf of Mexico being turned into a cesspool?

    No, it's not. Point?
    It is the point. Louisianans are not the only the only ones who use the gulf nor are oil rig workers the only ones with Jobs win the Gulf states.


    You must be joking. You think BP is going to hire the 30,000 people that will be out of work to clean up the oil for the next 3 decades? You can't be this stupid. You MUST be joking.
    Someone is going to have hire people to clean up the oil. Do you honestly think that oil is going to be cleaned up overnight? Look up the Exxon Valdez oil spill, its 21 years later and they still haven't finished cleaning it all up and the BP leak is much worse. You must be ****ing stupid if you think that stuff is going to be cleaned up over night.

    There sure is. And I'm not saying anyone should stop their touring or fishing.
    If oil washes up on the shores why would anyone want to go to the beach, if oil is killing fish how is anyone going to fish? You must be pretty retarded if you think that **** is not going to be affected.

    Stopping drilling won't help.
    Yes it will. Stopping drilling ensures that another BP type leak will not happen. When they can fix deep off shore oil leaks then I will be more than happy to support deep off shore oil drilling.Has BP fixed the leak yet? **** no they haven't. SO what happens if another deep off shore oil rig has a leak like BO's? Twice the disaster?

    It will hurt FAR more than it will help.
    The decades of consequences far outweigh oil rig workers jobs and other related jobs.

    No, but 50 people died the last time. 400 in the TWA disaster. Only 11 died in this disaster. Are we valuing human jobs over lives?
    IN other words that plan crash did not destroy miles of land,cities or destroy the livelihoods of lots of people?

    No, I'm bashing Obama because he keeps sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.
    40,000 plus oil rigs in the gulf of Mexico and not one of the companies that owns those rigs has a solution to fix the BP leak in a timely manner, most people would find that very troubling. He should stick his nose in this.
    Oh I know, I mean let's let Iran help us clean up our own oil. That makes sense. I'd sure like to know what issues you are "very conservative" about. You sound like the biggest lib on this forum.
    If Iran is a oil producing nation then perhaps they have experience in fixing deep water leaks. Why turn them down. And what do you mean by our oil? Isn't oil BP's?


    I'd sure like to know what issues you are "very conservative" about.
    You think deep off shore oil drilling is the one defining issue with conservatives?


    You sound like the biggest lib on this forum.
    You sound like the biggest nut on the forum.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, most of those fishermen depend on oilfield dollars to purchase their seafood.

    1) A shrimper in Venice catches shrimp

    2) A resturant in Houma, or Lafayette buys the shrimp.

    3) Most of the people who patron the resurant make their living in the oilfield.

    See the trickle?
    Are you saying that they do not supply other states with fish?
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