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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And what will the consequences of another mistake be? All choices have consequences.
    Well, it boils down to this:

    We know that a drilling moratorium will put hundreds of thousands of people out of work.

    The moratorium will cause the most talented people to leave the GOM, thereby creating a more dangerous working environment when the moratorium is finally lifted.

    A start up of drilling right now might lead to another blowout.

    Are the first two definates worth it?
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    "Shakedown a private company" ... your joking, right?

    There is a liability here of serious magnitude. If your country did nothing to protect the interests of the harmed party and BP later chose to file a Chapter XI, there would be outrage. (BTW, BP is contributing $20B over 4 years, so they still can hide behind an Chapter XI) They are going to owe a ton of money. Contrary to the idiocy of a Rush Limbaugh diatribe, this is actually an example of your government and BP doing the right thing. Guys like Limbaugh are paid to tell you your Democratic leaders do nothing right and everything wrong, but actually believing that serious politicians can't do anything right is intellectually dishonest.

    You may not like the approach, but its no "shakedown". This was negotiated between the government and BP attorney's long before last week. BP is certainly capable of playing hardball had they chose.
    By the same token, if the government keeps soaking BP for money that will go no telling where and BP files chapter 11, then where will we be?

    My point is, if Obama can do it to BP, he can do it to anyone else.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, it boils down to this:

    We know that a drilling moratorium will put hundreds of thousands of people out of work.

    The moratorium will cause the most talented people to leave the GOM, thereby creating a more dangerous working environment when the moratorium is finally lifted.

    A start up of drilling right now might lead to another blowout.

    Are the first two definates worth it?
    And if we have another disaster, who will blame?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

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    Sure you do, when you discover that key aviation safety components that should have been installed and functional on every plane before leaving the factory were not.

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    Air Force grounds F-15 jets - Military- msnbc.com

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And if we have another disaster, who will blame?
    Not drilling right now is a disaster.

    As these columns reported last week, the opposite is true. In a scathing document, eight of the "experts" the Administration listed in its report said their names had been "used" to "justify" a "political decision." The draft they reviewed had not included a six-month drilling moratorium. The Administration added that provision only after it had secured sign-off. In their document, the eight forcefully rejected a moratorium, which they argued could prove more economically devastating than the oil spill itself and "counterproductive" to "safety."

    And the report they agreed to did address moratoria: It recommended a six-month ban on new deepwater permits. Yet Benton Baugh, president of Radoil, said that in at least two separate hour-and-a-half phone calls among Interior and the experts, there was no discussion of a moratorium on existing drilling. "Because if anybody had [made that suggestion], we'd have said 'that's craziness.'"

    A cynic might argue the ban was only added after review precisely because the Administration knew experts would refuse to endorse it.

    A big reason why those experts would have balked is because they recognize that the moratorium is indeed a threat to safety. Mr. Arnold offers at least four reasons why.

    The ban requires oil companies to abandon uncompleted wells. The process of discontinuing a well, and then later re-entering it, introduces unnecessary risk. He notes BP was in the process of abandoning its well when the blowout happened.

    The ban is going to push drilling rigs to take jobs in other countries. "The ones that go first will be the newest, biggest, safest rigs, because they are most in demand. The ones that go last and come back first are the ones that aren't as modern," says Mr. Arnold.

    The indeterminate nature of this ban will encourage experienced crew members to seek other lines of work—perhaps permanently. Restarting after a ban will bring with it a "greater mix of new people who will need to be trained." The BP event is already pointing, in part, to human error, and the risk of that will increase with a less experienced crew base. Finally, a ban will result in more oil being imported on tankers, which are "more likely" to spill oil than local production.

    All this is even before raising ban's economic consequences, which already threaten tens of thousands of jobs. This is why Louisiana politicians are now pleading with the Administration to back off a ban that is sending the Gulf's biggest industry to its grave.

    "Mr. President, you were looking for someone's butt to kick," said Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph, recently. "You're kicking ours." The sooner the Administration climbs down from this pointless exercise, the better for a Gulf that needs real help.
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    Obama's folks played hide the baloney to make it appear experts agreed with the moratorium when they didn't.

    This should be investigated and punishment administered where due.
    These people are playing with a multi-billion dollar industry, and using lies and misrepresentation to achieve their goal.

    Try doing the latter with the government, and see what happens.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Not drilling right now is a disaster.


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    Drilling when they can not fix deep off shore oil leaks in a timely manner is a much larger disaster waiting to happen. Those jobs are not worth the risk.
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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Drilling when they can not fix deep off shore oil leaks in a timely manner is a much larger disaster waiting to happen. Those jobs are not worth the risk.
    James,

    There have been hundred, or thousands of holes dilled without incident.
    If we stop, 11 or more nations will continue in the same region.

    I understand the reasons of the 8 experts whose recommendations were falsified.

    They clearly explained why they shouldn't stop.

    But respect your concern.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Not drilling right now is a disaster.


    Obama's folks played hide the baloney to make it appear experts agreed with the moratorium when they didn't.

    This should be investigated and punishment administered where due.
    These people are playing with a multi-billion dollar industry, and using lies and misrepresentation to achieve their goal.

    Try doing the latter with the government, and see what happens.

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    Counter productive to safety makes little sense. So, I'm not buying it completely. And of course politics plays a role. Again, I ask, if he didn't and something went wrong, what would you be saying?

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Counter productive to safety makes little sense. So, I'm not buying it completely. And of course politics plays a role. Again, I ask, if he didn't and something went wrong, what would you be saying?
    Then I'd really start asking questions because this has happened one time in 60 years. If it were to happen again within a year I'd start really wondering WTF was going on.

    Flying is dangerous. You're riding in an aluminum contraption with thousands of horsepower under the wings doing hundreds of miles an hour many miles above the earths surface. But.....you can do it safely if you follow the procedures set forth.

    Same with deep water drilling.

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    Re: Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Then I'd really start asking questions because this has happened one time in 60 years. If it were to happen again within a year I'd start really wondering WTF was going on.

    Flying is dangerous. You're riding in an aluminum contraption with thousands of horsepower under the wings doing hundreds of miles an hour many miles above the earths surface. But.....you can do it safely if you follow the procedures set forth.

    Same with deep water drilling.
    No matter how often it has happened, it wasn't suppose to happen this time, but did. And the consequences are actually greater for more people than flying.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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