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Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

FluffyNinja said:
So, what presidential actions/statements from Bush would lead ANYONE to assume that Bush CLAIMED to be a fundamentalist Christian? LOL
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I don't know that he ever "claimed" it, but y'know, when you say **** like this....

"GOD SPEAKS THROUGH ME."
- George W. Bush, Smoketown, Pennsylvania, July 9, 2004
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"I feel like God wants me to run for President."
- George W. Bush to Christian evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign
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"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
- Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
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:doh
 
Glinda said:
I don't know that he ever "claimed" it, but y'know, when you say **** like this....








:doh
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And what, pray tell do THESE statements have to do with Christian Fundamentalism? Please explain? Do you have any understanding of the Christian Fundamentalist Movement? Where it started? (Niagara Bible Conference) When it started? Why it started? What the principles are behind it? Obviously not, or you would not have posted something so ignorant and sterotypical :roll:
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
Are they embarrassed that the American voters have been fooled to vote a Muslim into the seat of the Commander in Chief of United States of America?
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I always thought Libertarians prided themselves on not being prejudiced--embracing the constitution, and our values?

Nowadays, more and more, the statements I hear coming from you guys sound pretty bigoted.

We've voted in Catholics, Protestants, and Actors, too...
 
hazlnut said:
I always thought Libertarians prided themselves on not being prejudiced--embracing the constitution, and our values?

Nowadays, more and more, the statements I hear coming from you guys sound pretty bigoted.

We've voted in Catholics, Protestants, and Actors, too...
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Protestants, Catholics and actors, oh my! Protestants, Catholics, and actors, oh my! :lol:
We're off to see the wizard.......................................
 
Kandahar said:
OK, let's use Ockham's Razor here. Which makes more sense:

A) Obama has secretly been a Muslim for his entire life. The fact that he attended a Christian church in Chicago for years ...
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You call that a church?


It took 2 weeks for Americans to see what Obama didn't in 20-years.
Wright makes similar sounds as Farrakhan and Malcolm X.

I pretty much agree with his take on Libs though.
FORA.tv - Malcolm X: Address to the Ford Hall Forum
Audio only.
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hazlnut said:
I always thought Libertarians prided themselves on not being prejudiced--embracing the constitution, and our values?

Nowadays, more and more, the statements I hear coming from you guys sound pretty bigoted.

We've voted in Catholics, Protestants, and Actors, too...
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I like to use what is called.... common sense. Ya see, only people with that attribute really understand that having a muslim president has some very real potentially harmful affects on the United States. People that dont have common sense or just too young to understand have the opinion that someone with my view is "prejudiced".
One of the things that is destroying this Country are people that like to whip around words like bigoted and prejudiced like they whip out a dollar at McDonalds. Why is that? Because they are ignorant. Someone can have knowledge... but without wisdom they dont know how to USE that knowledge.
I dont really think you implemented the knowledge OR wisdom to properly use any of the descriptive words you used.
I personally would not be inclined to elect a muslim president due to what the muslims have been doing around the world. And what they WANT to happen around the world. Their desire to DESTROY the Jews is a MAJOR reason why not to elect a muslim president. But Hazlnut, you would have to be knowledgeable about such things. :roll:
 
Something else that is destroying this country: nutty conspiracy theories.
 
Redress said:
Something else that is destroying this country: nutty conspiracy theories.
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Yeah, LOL, especially those from the Liberal Left. Like testifying in front of a Senate Investigative Hearing that Bush ordered the bombing of the levees in New Orleans and agenda-driven publicity hounds like Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, and Louis Farrakhan propagating them on national television. :lol: So true! So true!
 
FluffyNinja said:
Yeah, LOL, especially those from the Liberal Left. Like testifying in front of a Senate Investigative Hearing that Bush ordered the bombing of the levees in New Orleans and agenda-driven publicity hounds like Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, and Louis Farrakhan propagating them on national television. :lol: So true! So true!
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Yes, those are nutty conspiracy theories too. Since we are on the same wavelength, would you agree that this "Obama is a Muslim" thing is a retarded conspiracy theory?
 
Redress said:
Yes, those are nutty conspiracy theories too. Since we are on the same wavelength, would you agree that this "Obama is a Muslim" thing is a retarded conspiracy theory?
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Conspiracy theory? I'm not so certain I'd place it in that category. A misunderstanding blown out of proportion by internet media....most certainly! :)
 
FluffyNinja said:
And what, pray tell do THESE statements have to do with Christian Fundamentalism? Please explain? Do you have any understanding of the Christian Fundamentalist Movement? Where it started? (Niagara Bible Conference) When it started? Why it started? What the principles are behind it? Obviously not, or you would not have posted such and ignorant and sterotypical statement. :roll:
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Fundies believe:

  • The Bible is the literal word of some hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky (proven wrong, by the way; the bible was written by all sorts of human beings LONG after the fact, for political purposes), and that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness.
  • A woman who never had sex gave birth (impossible in 5 BC), and the father was some hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky.
  • That this hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky had his own half-human son murdered to take away the sins of the world and every human in it. (And let's don't ignore the fact that this mystery ghost broke his own commandment to do it. :doh )
  • That a man who had been dead for three days suddenly came to life again, turned into ghost junior, and floated up to heaven to hang out with ghost senior, the guy who had him put to death.
  • That ghost junior is gonna come back to Earth in flesh and blood, and **** up everyone who doesn't swallow his and his ghost-daddy's hogwash.

Besides these doctrines, christian fundamentalism is also marked by far-right/conservative social stances, and criticism of liberal social and political policies, for example: legalized abortion, evolution taught in schools, and marriage for gays/lesbians. You're a fool if you're trying to pretend that Bush hasn't espoused conservative social stances his whole life, and hasn't loudly criticized liberal social and political policies.

Anybody who believes the garbage above (AND who believes that "god talks through me and wants me to run for president" SRSLY, George?!?) is a fundie, according to all the definitions of "fundamental christian" that I've come across.

I recognize that fundies feel differently, and of course, they can believe anything they want.

But I don't have to buy into their insanity. :roll:
 
Glinda said:
Fundies believe:

  • The Bible is the literal word of some hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky (proven wrong, by the way; the bible was written by all sorts of human beings LONG after the fact, for political purposes), and that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness.
  • A woman who never had sex gave birth (impossible in 5 BC), and the father was some hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky.
  • That this hard-assed mystery ghost in the sky had his own half-human son murdered to take away the sins of the world and every human in it. (And let's don't ignore the fact that this mystery ghost broke his own commandment to do it. :doh )
  • That a man who had been dead for three days suddenly came to life again, turned into ghost junior, and floated up to heaven to hang out with ghost senior, the guy who had him put to death.
  • That ghost junior is gonna come back to Earth in flesh and blood, and **** up everyone who doesn't swallow his and his ghost-daddy's hogwash.

Besides these doctrines, christian fundamentalism is also marked by far-right/conservative social stances, and criticism of liberal social and political policies, for example: legalized abortion, evolution taught in schools, and marriage for gays/lesbians. You're a fool if you're trying to pretend that Bush hasn't espoused conservative social stances his whole life, and hasn't loudly criticized liberal social and political policies.

Anybody who believes the garbage above (AND who believes that "god talks through me and wants me to run for president" SRSLY, George?!?) is a fundie, according to all the definitions of "fundamental christian" that I've come across.

I recognize that fundies feel differently, and of course, they can believe anything they want.

But I don't have to buy into their insanity. :roll:
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I like how you threw in the statement in parentheses
(AND who believes that "god talks through me and wants me to run for president" SRSLY, George?!?)
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Your own little fallacious addition to your twisted version of Christian Fundamentalist positions. Fact is, Christian fundamentalism says NOTHING about claims of God guiding someone spiritually or speaking through them spiritually. Your quotes from Bush prove NOTHING, ZILCH. You don't have a leg to stand on here. If what you're saying is true (and of course it is not) then practically EVERY theistic religion is fundamentalist in nature because nearly all of them provide for some mode through which the deity communes with the believers. Your argument is absurd. :roll:
 
FluffyNinja said:
If what you're saying is true (and of course it is not)
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No. It's 100% true. I challenge you to find a definition of "christian fundamentalist" that doesn't include the following:

* Inerrancy of the scriptures
* The virgin birth and the deity of Jesus
* The doctrine of substitutionary atonement by god's grace and through human faith
* The bodily resurrection of Jesus
* Christ's second coming

Go ahead. We'll wait.

FluffyNinja said:
then practically EVERY theistic religion is fundamentalist in nature because nearly all of them provide for some mode through which the deity communes with the believers. Your argument is absurd. :roll:
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Ok then. I'll agree with you. EVERYONE who believes in [insert choice of god/gods here] is a fundie.

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Christian fundamentalism was a POLITICAL MOVEMENT within the Protestant Church which began around 1895 to combat the ever-increasing popularity of secular teaching in the hard sciences and social sciences. I never claimed to be associated with this movement and do not necessarily support this approach by the Church. For you to make the claim that George W. Bush was a Fundamentalist Christian, means that you are claiming that he subscribed/subscribes to the principles behind it. To strengthen your claim, you used several quotes from Bush regarding his belief that God guided him or "spoke" to him. This IN NO WAY relates to the Christian Fundamentalist Movement - this is simply Christian Doctrine that ALL true Christians must believe (or they're not really Christians).

Here, educate yourself : :lol:
What is a fundamentalist Christian?
 
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Glinda said:
Ok then. I'll agree with you. EVERYONE who believes in [insert choice of god/gods here] is a fundie.

:2wave:
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Ok, then your lack of understanding obviously knows no bounds, and we are done here. :confused:
 
German guy said:
-- apparently, it would bother people who believe Obama is a Muslim much more if he were, than it would bother people who don't believe it, even if it was true.)
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I honestly don't care what religion he is, but if this story true, it just confirms that he is a liar, and a liar for political motives at that. That puts him somewhere at the level of pond scum to me. If one can't be honest about themselves, then they either have no character or they are delusional. Neither one is a positive trait imo. If a person isn't willing to risk their political aspirations to be open and honest, then he's not worth my admiration.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Christian fundamentalism was a POLITICAL MOVEMENT within the Protestant Church which began around 1895 to combat the ever-increasing popularity of secular teaching in the hard sciences and social sciences. I never claimed to be associated with this movement and do not necessarily support this approach by the Church. For you to make the claim that George W. Bush was a Fundamentalist Christian, means that you are claiming that he subscribed/subscribes to the principles behind it. To strengthen your claim, you used several quotes from Bush regarding his belief that God guided him or "spoke" to him. This IN NO WAY relates to the Christian Fundamentalist Movement - this is simply Christian Doctrine that ALL true Christians must believe (or they're not really Christians).

Here, educate yourself : :lol:
What is a fundamentalist Christian?
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*snort!*

From your link:
From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord.
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:lamo
 
FluffyNinja said:
Ok, then your lack of understanding obviously knows no bounds, and we are done here. :confused:
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Oh, I understand completely dear. I was raised surrounded by the hypocritical indoctrination of the Catholic Church; baptized, catechismized, first communionized. I had it all crammed down my neck by the "good" religious people who STILL think the church can do no wrong. :roll:

But I grew up and recognized rather quickly that all organized religion is a crock and a rip-off.

But hey, whatever nutty dogma floats yer boat. :peace
 
Glinda said:
*snort!*

From your link:

From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord.
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:lamo
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Ok, so how does this specific quote from my link, IN ANY WAY, relate to George W. Bush Being guided by or "spoken to" by GOD? I do not disagree with my own source :confused: or I wouldn't have used it. My argument IS NOT the DEFINITION of a Christian Fundamentalist, I know what one is; it IS based on your fallacious statement that GWB is a "Fundie" based his comments that he "communed" with GOD. Your whole position is based on False Logic.
1. George W. Bush claimed he communes spiritually with God.
2. Christian Fundamentalists believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.
3. Based on statement #2, it is obvious that at least some Christian Fundamentalists believe that they commune spiritually with God. (Can we safely assume that they ALL do?.....I dont think so)
4. Therefore, George W. Bush MUST be a Christian Fundamentalist. (It just couldn't be possible that ANYONE who IS NOT a Christian Fundamentalist believes that God communes with them.......right?)


(AND who believes that "god talks through me and wants me to run for president" SRSLY, George?!?)
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So, what have you proven based on your original statement? Nothing, except that George Bush claims God speaks to him and guides him spiritually. You still have not, nor will you ever be able to use those quotes of his to prove that he is a Christian Fundamentalist. He may very well be, but not simply based on those quotes. Did he ever publicly come out and verify that he believed in and strongly stood by the FIVE BASIC tenets of Christian Fundamentalism? If, so, then you may have a case; but until you find these quotes you are simply passing gas into the wind. LOL :smileyfart:
 
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Glinda said:
*snort!*

From your link:

From the Christian perspective, fundamentalist has traditionally referred to any follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and who believes in its literal interpretation and fundamental teachings. The fundamental Christian believes in the experience of the "new birth" which occurs when faith is placed in Christ as Savior and Lord.
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:lamo
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BTW this explanation is from a CHRISTIAN perspective, lol. You are obviously not a Christian, by your own statements. Now you claim to be defending YOUR position from a CHRISTIAN perspective? How can this coincide with YOUR perspective if you so fervently claim NOT to be one? I'm confused :confused: but obviously not as much as you are :lol:
 
I'll put in my two cents.

I don't give a rats arse if we elect a muslim president. As being a muslim in itself isnt' such a bad thing, Ive met a few between my current and past job, not bad folks all in all except a few freaks.

That said, IF (and thats a big IF) this blogger's little story turns out to have some truth to it, the only 2 things that would bother me are:

1. Obama feeling the need to inform us all he is a Christian when in fact he isn't. We don't need a President who is going to intentionally deceive us. (Spare me the comparisons of anyone else in the past).
2. The statements made about Israel would concern me.
 
Redress said:
Yes, those are nutty conspiracy theories too. Since we are on the same wavelength, would you agree that this "Obama is a Muslim" thing is a retarded conspiracy theory?
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Then you are calling the Egyption Official a Liar?
 
ptif219 said:
Then you are calling the Egyption Official a Liar?
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Are you saying there is absolutely NO possibility that the Egyptian official is either lying or misunderstood and this Egyptian official is to be taken 100% by his word?

If you say yes to any of that, send me $100,000 cause I'm Jesus and you would then be gullible enough to buy that.
 
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