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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You do realize that I am an Islamophobe dont you? I have yet to figure out a way to distinguish between a peaceful muslim and an extremist until they detonate. Therefore I trust no muslim. I will think diferently when so called peaceful muslims protest in mass against the extremist. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen
    I live in a city where there is a large Muslim community. I deal with Muslims on a daily base, and two of my friends are descendents of Muslim immigrants. All of those I have talked to about it condemned terrorism. They often said "those terrorists are not true Muslims". Some may be a bit wacky when it comes to sexual moral, family values and role of the woman, but not moreso than very religious Christians I've met.

    Do you have personal experience with Muslims?

    It's easy to be afraid of what one doesn't know. It's also easy to generalize people you don't have to deal with in person. I understand that many are afraid and angry because of 9/11 and other terrorist acts by extremist Muslims. But I think it's unfair and not helpful to paint them all with the same broad brush. And understandable fear doesn't make it any more sound or legitimate.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I believe Obama made a statement that was misinterpreted, and we're hearing it 3rd or 4th hand in any event.
    The man's name is Barack Hussein Obama.
    Clearly, Islam figures into his background and family history in some way, shape, or form.
    He has made it clear that he is not anti-Islamic.
    I'm sure he's tried to reassure Islamic leaders of this fact; why wouldn't he, since he's been perfectly open about it with the American people?
    He made it clear from the start that he hoped to use diplomacy to resolve some of the conflicts in the middle east, where his predecessor had used force.

    As I said, I believe perhaps he said something he meant to be reassuring, and it was misinterpreted, possibly because of a language or cultural barrier.
    No he lied

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No he lied
    About what?

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It does happen. Just that the culture warriors and islamophobes refuse to listen:

    Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
    Nice try but when you put Cair in there it shows how disingenuous they are

    CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror :: Daniel Pipes

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    He either lied to voters or to the head of Egypt you figure it out

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice try but when you put Cair in there it shows how disingenuous they are

    CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror :: Daniel Pipes
    I don't see that anything in this article you provide contradicts all the denouncements of terrorism that are presented on the site I linked to.

    You are attacking a strawman, a common reasoning fallacy: The claim never was that there is no extremism and support for terrorism among Muslims. That CAIR or others do what they are accused of does in no way negate the claim that many Muslims denounced and condemned terrorism. For that claim, I have provided evidence.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    He either lied to voters or to the head of Egypt you figure it out
    Or it was a misunderstanding. Or that Egyptian guy lied. Or the source reporting it lied.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't see that anything in this article you provide contradicts all the denouncements of terrorism that are presented on the site I linked to.

    You are attacking a strawman, a common reasoning fallacy: The claim never was that there is no extremism and support for terrorism among Muslims. That CAIR or others do what they are accused of does in no way negate the claim that many Muslims denounced and condemned terrorism. For that claim, I have provided evidence.
    You claim an organization that is started by former Hamas people and that supports terrorism denounces it. Nice try but does not work

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Or it was a misunderstanding. Or that Egyptian guy lied. Or the source reporting it lied.
    So the Egyption lied and not Obama? With Obama's history I would say Obama lied as he has for years

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    About what?
    Obama lied about alot of things. How about closing Gitmo, ending the war in Iraq, He said his administration would be transparent unlike the previous administration. He said he would work with republicans. He said he would require a public option in the healthcare reform legislation. To many lies to list.
    When America is strong the world is calm, When America is weak tyrants and terrorist slaughter the meek. ~ SgtRock

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