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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by SixStringHero View Post
    Oh, so close to avoiding disclosing the fact that you're a pseudo truther.
    Believing Bush could somehow have been directly responsible for 9/11 falls under what you referred to as "mental illness."

    You better readjust you're foil hat, don't want to miss any signals from the mother ship...
    I don't see the need to put words into my mouth. That's rude and disrespectful.

    For the record: I do not believe Bush is responsible for 9/11. In fact, I think this kind of conspiracy theory is just as absurd as assuming Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent. For both theories, no hard evidence exists.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Okay, so he perhaps was disengenuous about his religious preference. I can understand why some who believe personal integrity is important at all levels where a person's charactor is concerned. But I can also understand how ANYONE running for public office in a post-9/11 world in the U.S. wouldn't stand a chance of being elected even to dog catcher if the public knew his or her religious preference was Muslim. The way I see it, if we as a nation of laws who claim to value our freedoms are true to said freedoms under the law, it really shouldn't matter what a person's religious preference may be. We should be more concerned with what that person does while holding office, not so much what his religious preference might be. To date, I see no evidence to support the notion of fear and mistrust that many have placed on this President.

    No laws have been written that take away your freedoms.

    No laws have been written that subvert the government's ability to do it's job at all levels - legistlative, executive or judicial.

    Until such becomes evident, I'm fine with letting the man who the majority of American elected to the highest office in the land do his job.
    He lied and deceived he is not disengenious he is dishonest and not credible.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why? What are you and everyone else who's opposed to this President so afraid of? If he is a true Muslim then he will advocate a message of peace.
    Because we all know that Islam is a religion of peace
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In the wake of 9/11 I can't say I blame him. But again I say that since it is Muslim extremist who are causing this country so much trouble abroad, wouldn't it make more sense to have someone who knows their core believe system and understand where said beliefs are being distorted and can use their religious teachings to turn things around?


    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    (Okay...poor analogy, but the point is I'd rather have someone in office who knows these religious wackos inside and out and can reason with them and probably get them to stand down than someone who only acts to antagonize them and make matters worse.)
    Reason with Islamic extremist fighting a holy war. Islamic jihadist who believe that the greatest honor is to die killing infidels in the service of Allah. Islamic fanatics who are doing exactly what is expected of them according to the Quran. Dare I say it would be eaiser to reason with Charlie Manson.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    I think it's obvious that Islam and Muslims in general are not terrorists or extremists, although extremist islamism is a problem and this problem may be larger than problems with extremism in other religions.

    But over-generalizing, painting all Muslims in general with the same broad brush, won't help matters. Such islamophobia is not much better than anti-Semitism (and its line of reasoning is similar).
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think it's obvious that Islam and Muslims in general are not terrorists or extremists, although extremist islamism is a problem and this problem may be larger than problems with extremism in other religions.

    But over-generalizing, painting all Muslims in general with the same broad brush, won't help matters. Such islamophobia is not much better than anti-Semitism (and its line of reasoning is similar).
    It would help if the main stream in the religion condemned the terrorism. That seldom happens

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    I believe Obama made a statement that was misinterpreted, and we're hearing it 3rd or 4th hand in any event.
    The man's name is Barack Hussein Obama.
    Clearly, Islam figures into his background and family history in some way, shape, or form.
    He has made it clear that he is not anti-Islamic.
    I'm sure he's tried to reassure Islamic leaders of this fact; why wouldn't he, since he's been perfectly open about it with the American people?
    He made it clear from the start that he hoped to use diplomacy to resolve some of the conflicts in the middle east, where his predecessor had used force.

    As I said, I believe perhaps he said something he meant to be reassuring, and it was misinterpreted, possibly because of a language or cultural barrier.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It would help if the main stream in the religion condemned the terrorism. That seldom happens
    It does happen. Just that the culture warriors and islamophobes refuse to listen:

    Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It would help if the main stream in the religion condemned the terrorism. That seldom happens
    How often do mainstream Christians condemn Christian extremists?
    Mainstream Islamics have no obligation to do anything other than what they're doing, which is to continue to live their lives in a peaceful way, according to the tenets of their faith.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think it's obvious that Islam and Muslims in general are not terrorists or extremists, although extremist islamism is a problem and this problem may be larger than problems with extremism in other religions.

    But over-generalizing, painting all Muslims in general with the same broad brush, won't help matters. Such islamophobia is not much better than anti-Semitism (and its line of reasoning is similar).
    You do realize that I am an Islamophobe dont you? I have yet to figure out a way to distinguish between a peaceful muslim and an extremist until they detonate. Therefore I trust no muslim. I will think diferently when so called peaceful muslims protest in mass against the extremist. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen
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