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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So we have a blog reporting that Obama told the Egyptian Foreign minister(whose name he misspelled) that Obama is a Muslim. A quick search shows that the only reports on this are from the blog. No confirmation whatsoever except a very biased blog. So either we believe people on faith for no reason in a story that makes no sense, or we look at the evidence and say that it is highly improbable.

    It is very unlikely Obama is Muslim. It's very unlikely that Obama told the Egyptian Minster he is Muslim. Even if those two unlikely things where true, it has no effect on anything. It's almost embarrassing that some people in the wold are this gullible. Looking at the comments on the blog site make me fear for the future of humanity, that there really are that many stupid people.
    It may apparently be unlikely to some that he is a Muslim, but with reference to his Foreign Policy which (at least to ME) favors Muslim States.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    You people are missing the POINT. We dont WANT a Muslim as president!
    Why? What are you and everyone else who's opposed to this President so afraid of? If he is a true Muslim then he will advocate a message of peace.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why? What are you and everyone else who's opposed to this President so afraid of? If he is a true Muslim then he will advocate a message of peace.
    It means another lie to the voters. He ran as a Christian

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It means that they've been lieing about it, all along. He lied, because he knew there was no way in hell he would get elected, if he admitted he was a Muslim.
    In the wake of 9/11 I can't say I blame him. But again I say that since it is Muslim extremist who are causing this country so much trouble abroad, wouldn't it make more sense to have someone who knows their core believe system and understand where said beliefs are being distorted and can use their religious teachings to turn things around?


    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    (Okay...poor analogy, but the point is I'd rather have someone in office who knows these religious wackos inside and out and can reason with them and probably get them to stand down than someone who only acts to antagonize them and make matters worse.)

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It means another lie to the voters. He ran as a Christian
    Okay, so he perhaps was disengenuous about his religious preference. I can understand why some who believe personal integrity is important at all levels where a person's charactor is concerned. But I can also understand how ANYONE running for public office in a post-9/11 world in the U.S. wouldn't stand a chance of being elected even to dog catcher if the public knew his or her religious preference was Muslim. The way I see it, if we as a nation of laws who claim to value our freedoms are true to said freedoms under the law, it really shouldn't matter what a person's religious preference may be. We should be more concerned with what that person does while holding office, not so much what his religious preference might be. To date, I see no evidence to support the notion of fear and mistrust that many have placed on this President.

    No laws have been written that take away your freedoms.

    No laws have been written that subvert the government's ability to do it's job at all levels - legistlative, executive or judicial.

    Until such becomes evident, I'm fine with letting the man who the majority of American elected to the highest office in the land do his job.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    And if it proves to be true, who will be shocked? Anyone? Anyone? Any takers?
    I would be, because I believe he's an atheist, raised by atheists (his mother and grandparents).
    He says so in his autobiography, and that was written and published when he was young, before he had any presidential aspirations.
    He describes meeting a christian minister/community leader while working as a community organizer in Chicago, and attending his church because it was necessary to do so, for his work. It was one of the centers of the community.
    He describes conversations with this minister about religious faith, and he describes sitting in church not feeling anything, not feeling there was a God, and being sad that he didn't feel there was, but glad for being able to be part of the community.

    He also describes attending a Muslim school briefly as a child in Jakarta, while his mother was married to Lolo Soetoro. He also attended a Catholic school there for a period of time.
    He describes misbehaving and getting in trouble at both, and not being much influenced by either one.
    If he had been, his mother probably would've pulled him out, seeing as how she was an intellectual and an atheist herself.
    Despite these adventures, he describes, at length, a secular childhood in which religion of any sort was not a factor. Since he only met his dad once, when the man came for a 2 week visit and stayed with Barack's grandparents in their apartment, I do not believe his father's religion influenced him, and I don't think his father was a Muslim anyhow. If he was, it was only nominally, in name only, much the same way Barack is a "Christian".


    I do think that when Obama visits his Kenyan relatives, he may participate in traditional Islamic stuff, much the way he attended Rev Wright's church and participated there, because it was necessary to his work in the community. It's his way of being close to people he cares about.
    I don't see this as being deceptive or hypocritical, I see it as being polite.

    I do not think Obama is a man who has any innate religious faith.
    I think he's a man who sees the value of religion- all religions- to others, and understands that in order to be close to others, he needs to participate in their various religious rituals.
    He understands that religion can be a great force for good, under the best of circumstances, and can bring people together.
    Last edited by 1069; 06-13-10 at 08:02 PM.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    This story is so full of it but amazing enought many bite at the hook.

    Americans have become so gullible. It is just like the current story that Sarah Palin had breast implants which is baloney. I can't stand Palin but really don't believe she ran out and got boob enhancement. She was already adequate and it just doesn't add up but many swallowed the hook.

    Those who fell for the girl with backwards "B" scarved on her face and fell for the Palin boob story will find good reading in this BS.

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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    And for what it's worth, I think he could've said something like this, which was misunderstood and/or twisted- deliberately or inadvertently- to sound rather sinister.

    I can imagine him privately telling the Egyptian Minister something to the effect of, "My father and stepfather were Muslims, my half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, I'm not anti-Muslim, I'm sympathetic toward Muslims."

    He may or may not have.
    We'll never know, unless video or tape recordings come out.
    I'm sure he likes Muslims just as well as he likes every other religion, which makes him far different from any other president we've ever had.
    He recognizes religion as a positive force, and he also recognizes that every religion harbors dangerous extremists who are our enemies, and that we must all- all religions- join together to combat them.

    No good has come, will come, or can possibly come of making our Muslim allies believe the US is anti-Islamic.
    We're not. At least, we're not supposed to be.
    I had hoped that Obama's background would help him reach across some of these cultural/religions barriers in a way no other president has been able to do, and I think he's trying to do that.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    I can't believe some are so delusional they would buy an absurd conspiracy theory like Obama is Muslim with a hidden agenda and has deliberately been pretending to be Christian to fulfil it. Seriously, folks. Both that Bush himself is responsible for 9/11 and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are more credible. The paranoia required to buy that points to mental illness.
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    Re: Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I can't believe some are so delusional they would buy an absurd conspiracy theory like Obama is Muslim with a hidden agenda and has deliberately been pretending to be Christian to fulfil it. Seriously, folks. Both that Bush himself is responsible for 9/11 and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are more credible. The paranoia required to buy that points to mental illness.
    Oh, so close to avoiding disclosing the fact that you're a pseudo truther.
    Believing Bush could somehow have been directly responsible for 9/11 falls under what you referred to as "mental illness."

    You better readjust you're foil hat, don't want to miss any signals from the mother ship...
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