"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
(Okay...poor analogy, but the point is I'd rather have someone in office who knows these religious wackos inside and out and can reason with them and probably get them to stand down than someone who only acts to antagonize them and make matters worse.)
No laws have been written that take away your freedoms.
No laws have been written that subvert the government's ability to do it's job at all levels - legistlative, executive or judicial.
Until such becomes evident, I'm fine with letting the man who the majority of American elected to the highest office in the land do his job.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-13-10 at 05:21 PM.
He says so in his autobiography, and that was written and published when he was young, before he had any presidential aspirations.
He describes meeting a christian minister/community leader while working as a community organizer in Chicago, and attending his church because it was necessary to do so, for his work. It was one of the centers of the community.
He describes conversations with this minister about religious faith, and he describes sitting in church not feeling anything, not feeling there was a God, and being sad that he didn't feel there was, but glad for being able to be part of the community.
He also describes attending a Muslim school briefly as a child in Jakarta, while his mother was married to Lolo Soetoro. He also attended a Catholic school there for a period of time.
He describes misbehaving and getting in trouble at both, and not being much influenced by either one.
If he had been, his mother probably would've pulled him out, seeing as how she was an intellectual and an atheist herself.
Despite these adventures, he describes, at length, a secular childhood in which religion of any sort was not a factor. Since he only met his dad once, when the man came for a 2 week visit and stayed with Barack's grandparents in their apartment, I do not believe his father's religion influenced him, and I don't think his father was a Muslim anyhow. If he was, it was only nominally, in name only, much the same way Barack is a "Christian".
I do think that when Obama visits his Kenyan relatives, he may participate in traditional Islamic stuff, much the way he attended Rev Wright's church and participated there, because it was necessary to his work in the community. It's his way of being close to people he cares about.
I don't see this as being deceptive or hypocritical, I see it as being polite.
I do not think Obama is a man who has any innate religious faith.
I think he's a man who sees the value of religion- all religions- to others, and understands that in order to be close to others, he needs to participate in their various religious rituals.
He understands that religion can be a great force for good, under the best of circumstances, and can bring people together.
Last edited by 1069; 06-13-10 at 06:02 PM.
This story is so full of it but amazing enought many bite at the hook.
Americans have become so gullible. It is just like the current story that Sarah Palin had breast implants which is baloney. I can't stand Palin but really don't believe she ran out and got boob enhancement. She was already adequate and it just doesn't add up but many swallowed the hook.
Those who fell for the girl with backwards "B" scarved on her face and fell for the Palin boob story will find good reading in this BS.
And for what it's worth, I think he could've said something like this, which was misunderstood and/or twisted- deliberately or inadvertently- to sound rather sinister.
I can imagine him privately telling the Egyptian Minister something to the effect of, "My father and stepfather were Muslims, my half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, I'm not anti-Muslim, I'm sympathetic toward Muslims."
He may or may not have.
We'll never know, unless video or tape recordings come out.
I'm sure he likes Muslims just as well as he likes every other religion, which makes him far different from any other president we've ever had.
He recognizes religion as a positive force, and he also recognizes that every religion harbors dangerous extremists who are our enemies, and that we must all- all religions- join together to combat them.
No good has come, will come, or can possibly come of making our Muslim allies believe the US is anti-Islamic.
We're not. At least, we're not supposed to be.
I had hoped that Obama's background would help him reach across some of these cultural/religions barriers in a way no other president has been able to do, and I think he's trying to do that.
Last edited by 1069; 06-13-10 at 06:18 PM.
I can't believe some are so delusional they would buy an absurd conspiracy theory like Obama is Muslim with a hidden agenda and has deliberately been pretending to be Christian to fulfil it. Seriously, folks. Both that Bush himself is responsible for 9/11 and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are more credible. The paranoia required to buy that points to mental illness.
"Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."
Believing Bush could somehow have been directly responsible for 9/11 falls under what you referred to as "mental illness."
You better readjust you're foil hat, don't want to miss any signals from the mother ship...
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